
Observations and inanities by a second-shift assistant supervisor in the Puppy-Grinding division of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy® (our motto: "Sure it's cruel, but think of the jobs!"), your host, Brent Rasmussen.
What It Feels Like to be an Atheist
A few folks wanna know why I'm an atheist. I'm not planning on sugar coating this with any platitudes about how religion helps some folks cope with the brutal facts of life they never asked for and don't deserve; it does do that and it does lots of useful things. But that's not what this is about.
If you don't want to know, stop reading ... now. I mean it, stop reading this right now. If you've recently lost someone or are about to lose someone and religion is the one thread you're hanging onto to keep from going bonkers, don't read this; If you need to feel that humans have some kind of special place in the universe and without that special dispensation, it's all 'for nothing', don't read this; If you're easily offended and/or intolerant, don't read this. Normally I'd be happy to induldge all that, but in this one singular case I'm not going to be terribly empathetic about people complaining.
And, I'm gonna do this thing in two parts; one today and one tomorrow. The first trying to explain what it feels like to be an atheist, the latter part on why I'm an atheist. There will be some overlap.
What it feels like to be an Atheist
I've always been an atheist, I know nothing else. From my earliest memory of considering the question, I'm talking maybe age three or four, I was skeptical as hell. The God stories just didn't add up. I'm amazed everyday of my life that everyone isn't an atheist like me. But they're not, I have no idea why that is, but it is reality. And based on many questions over the years it sounds possibly hard for someone who is not one to understand it. So follow me for a bit if you can. And I'll try to describe the world as seen through atheist eyes.
Imagine that you live in a world where 90% of the people around you sincerely believe in something that appears to you to be downright whacky, if perhaps relatively pleasant on the surface in many respects. Say they believe in Santa Claus; beard, the big red suit, the flying reindeer, the sled loaded with a billion gifts, the North Pole Workshop, Mrs. Claus and the elves; all of it.
But in this fantasy world, they're not content merely to believe in Santa Claus, they want you to publicly agree all the time that you also believe in Santa, in their specific version of same, and they pressure everyone else in numerous ways to pretend that they're not strange or childish for believing in this. They don't just limit it at that even, they insist everyone kiss their ass about their Santa belief every damn day of their lives and if you don't humor them at the drop of hat under any circumstances, you're being disrespectful, you're out of line. No matter how much you humor them, they always demand more.
Imagine, seriously imagine for a moment now, that these people, the vast majority of the electorate, vote for politicians based in large part on what they think Santa wants, campaign speeches all end with "Be good or Santa won't come to visit". And most of these voters won't even consider voting for someone who doesn't believe in Santa Claus and his factory at the North Pole. Yet they routinely congratulate themselves as belonging to the most graciously tolerant and open minded people in all of history.
Imagine that large sections of the country, the majority in fact, reject modern geography and want to teach that Santa lives at the North Pole in a giant Dickensian factory manned by elves as part of that curricula. They don't just want to teach it at home or in Santa Mass every Sunday, they wanna teach it as geographical fact and they're militant about it. They lobby the schoolboard and stack them with Santa-ists who want to 'teach both sides of the geographic controversy' and let the kids decide if they wanna believe in Santa's Workshop at the North Pole, or not. They want to 'teach the evidence against naturalistic North Polism" and no amount of evidence, no sat photos, no onsite reports, no live North Pole Cams, will dissuade them from this effort.
Imagine that if you even voice the possibility that Santa might be a pleasant legend or some aspects of the story may be more allegorical in nature rather than literal, at the local school board meeting when this issue comes up, you're shouted down, called everything from a Nazi to a demon to a terrorist, exiled from the neighborhood and maybe isolated at work. Because while a bunch of nice things get done in the name of Santa, a lot of nonsense and out and out bullshit also is justified with the same. For example; your kids better not repeat any Santa skepticism, or they'll be teased horribly at the very least and might get the shit beat out of them by other kids from time to time.
Now further imagine; although the underlying story is sweet enough on its own, the actual uses it is put to by various self-serving factions are about as ugly as it can get: The ruling party is supported by a large block of truly radical Santa believers who want to run the entire country like they believe the North Pole facility operates, including sweatshops with kids all busy working away seven days a week 365 days a year in long assembly lines, with hand tools, in the freezing cold arctic winter, all for benefit of a few old men with long white beards who live in complete splendor on that labor. Because that's how Santa wants it, see?
And even though Santa loves children, it is wrong for government to do Santa's work, so really, it would be going against Santa's will to ever just give the millions of working kids a decent meal, but throw a couple of dozen of them a toy once a year you're A-OK with Santa. That's what they want and they're working hard to get it.
On top of that, based on their Santa beliefs, they also want to outlaw all cortical steroids and hormone treatments of any kind for any reason; cancer, growth defects, hormone deficiencies, replacement therapy, arthritis and other autoimmune disorders, muscular dystrophy, and on and on: Because they claim with utter certainty that Santa likes elves. Elves are Divine, and some hormones could be used to treat dwarfism. You might accidentally prevent the normal development of midgets and the bone pathologies associated with it, if hormones were legal and widely prescribed. So no hormonal or cortical drugs, no exceptions. Some them want to reclassify all drugs as hormones ... just in case.
They try to stack the courts with Santists and they stacked the regulatory oversight boards with Santists at every chance and anytime someone rules against the interest of the sweatshop lobby they're labeled Activist St. Nicks. Anyone who presents evidence to the contrary to Santa or any of these government approved concentration/work camps or ideological Santist Policies is viciously smeared by a professional media, most of whom share the same set of Santa beliefs, and that's on the rare, once in a year occasion when someone who will argue against the literal existence of Santa is even allowed airtime. The nation slides slowly towards Santacracy year by year.
Their entire rationale for this belief system and all the ugliness and oppression associated with it, is based purely on one long Christmas Carol handed down through the ages and some self anointed speakers for Santa--who happen to be in the employ of the wealthy bearded caste--and one or two old children's books.
And BTW it's the same story with various minor differences all over the world; across the ocean are people who reject Santa by name, but who believe in Kris Kringle or Father Christmas or St. Nick with equal or greater intensity than these domestic Santa believers. And some of those pagans are ready and willing to kill each other, kill you and your entire family, in a split-second, up to and including strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up a kids daycare or turning a jet into a missile kamikazi style and plowing it into a factory; all because of that minor quibble over the name and/or suit style of Santa, just to make the point that they really believe their story more than our Santists believe theirs.
Picture your life unfolding in this world: As a child you also believe in Santa because your parents told you to, but as you grow up you become skeptical, some things just don't seem to add up. By the time you're six or seven years-old, you start asking legitimate questions like "How does Santa get down the little chimney, how does Santa get the time to visit each house, how does Santa know the kids who've been good from the ones who've been bad" and so forth. These questions elicit first strangely evasive answers devoid of content and a general sense of unease among the adults you're asking. Over the next few years that moves onto reactions of scorn, patronizing insults, and open hostility. But never, ever one single answer that holds up over time.
Finally you come to suspect there is a real possibility that there is no literal Santa Claus at the North Pole with a toy factory run by elves and flying reindeer. You began gently asking other folks about your concern. But, when you confide in a few of your most trusted friends and closest family members that the whole Santa idea is a nice sentiment to be sure, but it doesn't make much rational sense and there is no evidence for it, the reaction ranges from puzzlement, to pity, to shock, to anger, to open accusations and implications that you're some kind of mental defective for even wondering about it.
You don't understand what's going on, none of this Santa stuff makes any sense and there's zero evidence for it, why can't everyone just admit that? What's the big conspiracy about? Why is everyone pretending there really is a Santa? Then it slowly dawns on you, around age ten or eleven ... the chilling, horrible truth:
They're Not Pretending. They REALLY Do Believe There Is a Santa Claus.
Egads! Holy Shit! You suddenly feel a little bit lonely at age sixteen as you come to realize that you may surrounded by fully grown adults who are delusional incompetents that cannot distinguish fiction from fact and are enthralled by some kind of massive group hysteria! They're most of them all like that! And they all think you're nuts for not buying into their delusion! What the hell is wrong with these fucking people, can't they see how crazy this shit is?
So, being an adolescent who wants to know things and unafraid, you confront people who are trying to convince you about the existence of Santa with the what seem to you to be pretty obvious shortcomings in the story. The result is a torrent of stupidly phased questions, anger, at times hatred, usually disguised as pity or concern, but not always.
"Where do you think Christmas came from? How do you think the idea of giving gifts arose in the first place?" you're asked repeatedly.
Some of the questions you're being badgered with now are utterly exempt of any semblance of logic, "I've seen Santa so how do you explain that one?" or "How do you think the North Pole came to be Santa's Workshop if there is no Santa for crying out loud???? Huh? Huh? Answer THAT ONE Mr Smarty-pants!!!"
And no matter how many times you explain it's more likely Santa was thought up and refined over time by earlier generations, that there is in fact a long historical trail of Santa like characters in the cultures of your ancestors seamlessly leading up to the present day version, you are ignored or laughed at. And over and over the same tired old questions incessantly get thrown in your face again and again as though there was never a response on your part and there is no possible explanation outside of Santa (Or St. Nick or Kris Kringle or Father Christmas, if you happen to be questioned by those respective adherents). It's baffling to you.
Come your college years, more serious folks around now, I'm talking otherwise fully functional adults who hold jobs, sport an array of impressive degrees in Law, Philosophy, Science, or Mathematics, and who make important decisions, bombard you constantly with "Without Santa there would be no reason for us to be good, where do you think morality and ethics come from?; What's your 'world-view' and what evidence do you have for it, if you have no origin for morality?; I mean what's to stop you from going on a killing and raping spree if you don't believe in Santa?"
And no matter how many times you freely state you have no 'world-view' outside of an intuitive 'reality' and that such ideas regarding morality and ethical behavior and what is or is not a crime, likely stem from the culture you are raised in where they're acquired as a child unconsciously and then refined over time as one matures, they ignore you and keep throwing back the same question. The same question over and over in a dazzling variety of slick, pseudointellectual wrappers, while they practically dance in victory with glee every time they hurl the same dumbass question, as though they proved their Santa belief beyond any questionable doubt.
As you begin your adult life, marry or have a family of your own, the arguments don't get any better, they in fact get noticeably worse at times. Irate e-mailers demand, "How do you explain Rudolph's glowing red nose?"
And no matter how many times you patiently explain that Rudolph's existence and his nose is no more rational or supported than Santa's, that the question exhibits a fundamental logical fallacy by assuming the premise, you are ignored as if your response is invisible to your questioner and the same question is thrown endlessly back in your face as if it's a dead-cinch proof of Santa. You begin to understand that these folks aren't only whacked in the head, they're either liars or unable to think beyond the level of a toddler. Because it really is like arguing with a two-year old most of the time, only these aren't two-year olds, these are grown educated human beings. And you start to really worry now; what if most people are insane and you just happen by the luck of the draw to be one of the few sane ones? A lucid person in a world gone mad?
Hey, maybe you've not given this Santa thing a fair shot. Maybe if you talk to a pro, or meditate or think on it long and hard, something will click into place you're missing. So you embark on a multiyear voyage asking Santa ministers and reading the theology of Santa. You look at other beliefs like the ones who worship St. Nick or Father Christmas, you try, you really try to make it work. You play with altered states of consciousness and talk to people from other cultures about their version of the Santa belief.
And sure, you learn some useful tips, like how to distinguish fresh blotter acid from stuff that's been laying around turning into strychnine, and you might be able to lower or raise your heartbeat using biofeedback after a few sessions. But you find in the end none of the actual Santa like beliefs make any more sense than your own homegrown version. And you can no more force yourself to believe any of them, than you can flap your arms and fly away.
Still, incessantly they recruit you, incessantly they beat you down anytime you open your mouth and try to engage in a real, honest, thoughtful discussion, with the same damn cheesy worthless lines you've been hearing for years now. And from time to time, when you finally convince someone, say someone who is trying to recruit you to accept that Santa is a real entity and really does all those amazing things, that you're not buying it merely on their say-so, they stalk off screaming things like "OH I get it! You HATE Santa Claus and you HATE Christmas and you HATE getting presents, and you're trying to get even by pretending you don't believe in Him. Well, I'll be laughing this Christmas when I'm opening my presents and your only gift is a brand new brain tumor for being bad".
Imagine, as you puzzle your way through this temporal menagerie called life, full to the brim with more of the functionally insane humanoids that make the fabric of experience; bosses, girlfriends, pals, enemies, and role models, that Santa reminders are on every coin, every paper dollar, on every street corner, on every news show, on every cable network, that there are radio and TV stations that are dedicated 24 hours a day to extolling the virtues of Santa and the power of his mighty Sled. Every now and then you come across a fellow traveler who also marvels at the insane people, and you might become friends, compare notes, and laugh about the crazy mother fuckers, but it's a rare thing to meet them in person.
And in every one of those Santa reminders on every five cent piece and every dollar bill, lurks a tiny hint, a latent glimpse of those ugly components of Santaism and open wounds of rival Santa-like beliefs that are always at each other's throats; the wars justified and condoned, we're assured, by Santa; the sweatshops and pagan suicide bombers and the political opportunists who want to outlaw a huge class of life saving drugs based on Santa belief; the crazies who want to enact laws forcing everyone else to suffer horrible pain and disfiguring fatal diseases, all to humor their belief in mythological elves. Sometimes as you get older, all you can do is laugh so that you don't cry at the immense human tragedy of it all.
And sure, you're used to it, it doesn't really bother you most of the time because you just don't think about how totally fucking nuts the people around you are or what easy prey they are for the shameless predators of this loony jungle, as long as they're kept from hurting you or enacting their crazed legendary tenets into law and screwing up your life, but it's every damn place you go and it's getting worse and worse. The Santa Clausians are becoming more demanding, more powerful, more delusional and more arrogant every year. You grew up swearing your allegiance at the start of every school day that America was One Nation Under Santa from kindergarten on, and now some people are questioning the usefulness of that tradition, and pointing out it could be seen as blatant brainwashing, and they're being attacked day and night by Santa apologists and compared to pedophiles in the process. The entire Congress shuts down to pass a unanimous amendment supporting saying Santa in the Pledge in School and recites it on the steps of the capitol, shrieking the word Santa out, playing to the cameras and the demented Santa believers on the other side of the optical pipes they're attached to. Which is more comforting? That the leaders of the nation are lying and pandering to Santa believers? Or that they actually believe it also? Hell of a choice, eh?
It starts getting uglier: Imagine that one very loud group of Santa believers regularly demands that you move to another country and/or that you be prevented from giving or receiving gifts or having Christmas Day off because you don't believe in Santa, while members of the same group are attacking you in an even louder voice claiming you are trying to ruin or cancel Christmas, and they demand that you be forced to celebrate it and participate in each and every Santa Claus ritual they personally deem requisite. It's pretty clear to you now: These seemingly normal people are not just fucking insane when it comes to Santa, they're incoherent, dangerously unbalanced, demanding mutually exclusive sets of behavior from you that would be impossible to comply with.
Now imagine: Just two or three-hundred years ago it was totally SOP to take folks, men, women, children, who didn't believe in a specific version of Santa and stick red-hot steel objects into their rectums and vaginas, boil their limbs, beat them senseless with padded clubs, tear them apart with teams of horses, cut open their stomachs and rip out their intestines while they're still alive in front of their loved ones, or slowly burn them alive in public; all in the name of Santa's good will and often on the mere anonymous allegation from some two-bit ten-year old kid or a crazy deranged nutcase suffering from schizophrenia that you once said you don't believe Santa can really fly. Now imagine that that still goes on in some parts of the world AND there's a whole bunch of people in your country who are clamoring to bring that all back.
Imagine that when your mom or dad or heart surgeon or teacher or your best friend tells you they firmly, devoutly, believe in Santa replete with the flying reindeer and the ability to get down every chimney in the world in one evening, that you'd better believe also or you won't be getting a damn thing in the will or in life from them ever, or maybe they'll just treat you like shit in front of the rest of the family, AND THEY'RE NOT KIDDING IN THE SLIGHTEST ABOUT ANY OF IT.
You are under a barrage of Santa believers from the cradle to grave who act everything from shocked to disgusted that you don't believe in Santa, they're getting increasingly militant, yet not a one of them has the slightest bit of evidence that an entity called Santa really exists; not one of them is willing to explain why the North Pole is nothing but a barren, frozen wasteland, except maybe to vaguely explain that the "Workshop" is incorporeal or not meant to be taken "literally"; a claim which other Santa believers disagree with vigorously. Not one of them offers up the slightest tidbit of convincing scientific rationale for how reindeer fly and tow an arial sled, or how Santa reads the minds and keeps tabs on 2 billion kids, and visits them in a single 24 hour period once a year to deliver toys built at his workshop by magic miniature toymakers. Not one of them can offer any compelling real-world reasoning for why Santa would want to do this anyway, what he gets out of it, how he obtains supplies, feeds himself and his workers, treats disease, avoids old age and death, or how they all came to play this role in the first place. And yet you are portrayed as an imbecile and one chip short of Adolph Hitler for not believing it.
Pretty ridiculous, huh? A world gone bonkers, populated and completely run by a majority of people who are frankly clinically insane, dangerously immature, often violent, historically monstrous, completely irrational, closed to any internal questioning, convinced you're either stupid, evil, or dangerous, and hoping for all they're worth to infect you with the same mimetic virus. Can you even imagine how whacked it would be to have to deal with that kind of shit? To have to go through life walking on eggshells on the subject of Santa lest you offend a believer and they blow their stack at you, target you for persecution for political purposes, and/or question your worth, your job, your very life?
Well, if you can imagine all that, you know for just a few moments how it feels everyday to be a grown adult surrounded by wishful childish thinkers clinging to nonsensical myths as if they were real and insisting, in fact force feeding, that mythology to you; people who sometimes turn quite violent, get downright nasty if you express the slightest disagreement with their specific version of the Jolly Old Guy; people who happen to wield incredibly powerful arsenals of WMDs and massive traditional military might as well as running everything from the local police department to the IRS; people who are now are reopening torture chambers and gulags with armies of pundits cackling with delight at the very thought of returning to the good ole torture days.
It's not like we're living everyday in mortal fear, but it's nevertheless a little nerve racking that we find ourselves surrounded, defenseless, and at the mercy of hordes of people that for all the world appear to have lost their minds. And it's a bit depressing that this is the best the human species and/or our own nation can do or has done in millennia, especially now given our potential and the technology/knowldge now at our disposal.
And in the end, you can either pretend to be a Santa believer, basically live a lie 24/7 and try to avoid any showdowns over it that would expose you. Or you can be yourself, embrace reason, live truth, and take your chances, thanking your lucky stars the whole time you don't live in the past or somewhere else in the present; hoping to hell that the Santa believers don't completely dominate everything and go on some kind of anti-Santa purge.
That's kind of what it feels like to be an atheist. If you try and imagine further why you don't believe that Santa is real regardless of how nice a story it is or all the nice things about Christmas you enjoy, you'll be ahead of the game for tomorrow's post on why I don't believe in deities, including yours. More then.



















Pascal's Wager
I've always been a strong subscriber to Pascal's wager(if you're not familiar with it, google it or better yet search for it in wikipedia). Maybe there is or maybe there isn't an after life. I just like to think of it as insurance. Maybe I won't need it but better safe than sorry.
Place your bets.
Yeah, but Pascal's Wager assumes that 'God' is the particular Christian version. What if it isn't? What if by praying to the wrong God, or praying the wrong way to God (many devout believers would see the sort of nominal faith you demonstrate as deeply offensive), you're just pissing off the Deity? In that case, it's not the kind of wager you imagine - it's a giant roulette wheel, and you only get one chance to place your bet on the thousands and thousands of possible options.
Jim Downey
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The Portfolio Approach
Very true Jim, logic and rationality applied to religion always sucks.
The "wager" part of Pascal's Wager is that it is a better bet to believe in god than not. Okay, but if you think about it, a even more practical approach would be to follow as many religions as possible to increase your chances. You should take, what investor's call "the portfolio" approach, in order to minimize risk. The bad news is that there are 6,000 religions being practiced on the planet right now. Not to mention all of the now defunct religions of the past.
So really, your chances of picking the right religion and going to heaven are approximately 1 in 10,000. If you take the "portfolio approach" of Pascal's Wager and adhere to several religions, you may increase your chances to 2, 3 or even 10 in 10,000. In effect, your chances are doubled or more. However, the probability of eternal bliss is pretty minute.
Dirk
Salvation through Satan
In a world with more than one religion, Pascal's wager basically tells us to believe in the one with the most unpleasant afterlife for unbelievers. Here's a variant of the same logic as the Wager, the Salvation through Satan argument:
Assume that a God of some kind exists, and that this God is a moral lawgiver, so that absolute morals also exist. If there are absolute morals dictated by God, then God must be either good or evil.
If God is good, then he is likely to reward good mortals and punish evil ones.
If God, on the other hand, is evil, then he is likely to reward evil mortals and punish good ones.
However, forgiveness is a characteristic of good, so if God is good, then He may well find it in his everloving kind heart to forgive mortals who did evil.
If God is evil, however, then he's likely to just laugh callously as he throws good mortals down to an eternity of acid baths, pungent stench and an eternal Britney Spears comeback show, no matter how hard they plead. An evil God isn't a forgiving god.
Therefore, it is more rational for a mortal to do evil than good.
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I don't quite relate to what you've posted here.
“they insist everyone kiss their ass about their Santa belief every damn day of their lives and if you don't humor them at the drop of hat under any circumstances, you're being disrespectful, you're out of line.”
--- This is traditionally called a generalization. Perhaps its having lived in LA, NYC, Santa Fe, Beijing, Yang Shuo and Portland OR in the last 8 years but I certainly haven’t found this to be true. Are there people tragically rigid in their requirement that you submit to their deity? Sure. Do some of them live in the US? Of course. Am I any more subject to ridicule from these folk for not taking their holy books literally then if I would argue that your beliefs are rooted in the ideas these books inspired? I hope not.
--- I would certainly argue that folk who took those books literally thought out the architecture of your ideas and we’ve decorated their cathedrals with scientific stained glass and icons.
--- There are audiences that would ridicule me for arguing their beliefs be dirt, not fairy dust, and a great many that do not. I see no sign that the Christian fundamentalists are having any success in enacting limits on my right to ridicule their religion. If I see a threat to these rights I see them coming from Islam but there are quite a number of moves until that checkmate and we have counter measures as well.
“they wanna teach it as geographical fact and they're militant about it. They lobby the schoolboard and stack them with Santa-ists who want to 'teach both sides of the geographic controversy' and let the kids decide if they wanna believe in Santa's Workshop at the North Pole, or not.”
---Militant means they are resorting to organized violence in order to achieve a goal. The movement for teaching the “Evolution Controversy” is not using militia or the military to achieve this aim.
The ruling party is supported by a large block of truly radical Santa believers who want to run the entire country like they believe the North Pole facility operates, including sweatshops with kids all busy working away seven days a week 365 days a year in long assembly lines, with hand tools, in the freezing cold arctic winter, all for benefit of a few old men with long white beards who live in complete splendor on that labor. Because that's how Santa wants it, see?
--- Does being an atheist feel like being a communist? I for one am a non-communist atheist and to be fair, I think natural history teaches us more about the laws governing predator and prey, parasite and host, use of force and capitalizing on advantages over our rivals then even religion does. At least in the Bible people are obligated to giving 10% of their earnings to the poor and setting a corner of their fields, facing the roads to be given to the poor so they will have what to eat.
--- I not even sure I get what you are referring to in this paragraph. Who exactly is trying to establish American sweatshops with kids working 365 days a year?
--- I’m not sure how it is that you can say that Americans have not benefited in many ways from this system. We get to sit in front of our computers write about non-sense and collect data for hours at a time. I don’t make shit for a living and I live one block from a great park with trees and an amazing rose garden. I can get some coffee in one of dozens of coffee houses and even make some great Italian espresso in my own stove top espresso machine. I have a beautiful baby boy and have taken hundreds of pictures of him that I upload and post on the web. I can call my family for free (unless you count my internet bill) even though the closest of them are a thousand miles away. My life is far from perfect but I have my pleasures. I’ve not yet accidentally drilled a screw into my frost bitten thumb. If there is any danger of our pleasures to decrease it will not be because our country has overworked its labor but rather that we are counting now, more then ever, on the labor of other countries to produce what is becoming more and more difficult to buy because we are not making them ourselves. I for one would rather be mega rich then worry about a billion Chinese having middle income jobs.
--- The desire to rescue everyman from poverty by making property communal has its roots in the Protestant reformation and their reading of Christ’s poverty. So, if the desire for wealth comes from Christian fundamentalists and the desire for poverty as well… what exactly is being pushed down our atheist throats as regards god’s economic system.
“they also want to outlaw all cortical steroids and hormone treatments of any kind for any reason; cancer, growth defects, hormone deficiencies, replacement therapy, arthritis and other autoimmune disorders, muscular dystrophy, and on and on: Because they claim with utter certainty that Santa likes elves. Elves are Divine, and some hormones could be used to treat dwarfism.
The nation slides slowly towards Santacracy year by year.”
--- Observant Jews wake every morning and thank god for returning their souls to their body. Sleep is seen a sort of death. Brainwaves have been measured and using machines we came to identify the brainwaves associated with sleep. We have used the same machines to identify the end of viable mental activity. We call this a vegetative state and we have gone so far as to trust a machine to identify brain death. Brain death is the officially accepted measure of death for a number of decades now. Before that we judged death to be when the heart stopped beating. Before that we looked for signs of life with the lung’s activity. Working forwards, lungs to heart, heart to brain, the activity of each defined for us whether or not to bury, cremate or otherwise dispose of the person we loved.
--- In China they have many thousands of people on death row. The thing with the Chinese system is that they don’t always post an execution date. What they sometimes do is wait for some especially connected official to require a kidney, lung or heart transplant. When this happens they set up a nice organ harvesting department, go to the records of all the inmates on death row and shoot whoever matches said official’s donor requirements. They then harvest the required organ and post the rest of the organs on a sort of eBay on which various folk will match these organs to the highest bidder. One could say that in China, life ends when the court sentences you to death and until the right person is bordering on organ failure you are a life-support system for their future organ.
--- I’ve discussed interpretations of when life ends but when does it begin? Does science answer with lung function, heart beat or brain activity? Does life begin when you are too well developed to be of use for stem cell harvesting? In the final analysis of “Descartes’’ Error” Antonio Damasio concludes that after studying the habits of folk with certain forms of brain damage he can center the decision making center of the brain in the frontal lobe where emotion resides. He reasons that even as we try to gather information, in order to make informed decisions (some look to the Bible for information others to the Wikipedia), we are each set to react to a certain emotional condition which feel like the time to finally choose. We could always gather more intelligence but what eventually makes us decide on an action is emotion. Those lobotomized folk who do nothing all day are aware of the world but can’t come to decide what should be done with their day because they don’t feel the emotion we call decisions. At some point the rest of us feel that science has given us enough information, or we feel like we understand what Jesus would do, or we have looked at the Bible deeply enough to make the right decision. Brain death feels right to you, a stopped heart felt right to a doctor 40 years ago and 100 years ago a priest felt his sheep move to heaven when the chest stopped its rise and fall. Today an abortion clinician feels okay with an abortion when the danger to the mother is still minimal. Outside the door to the clinic those with signs feel the mother has forsaken her motherly duty if she aborts at all. Considering that my six month old won’t fall asleep now and I’m trying to write to you all, I’m thinking abortion should be legal until the child is eighteen years old.
--- When life begins and ends is important in human terms. Time, place and emotional response to these factors play into the decision on when we are alive and when we die. To define life by the viability of life outside the mother, or what happens to it if you split the zygote’s cell cluster, or how useful this mass of organic matter could be to a fully formed human being are mental gymnastics whose score will be settled by the frontal lobe of our brains. I would be careful of anyone whose basic principle of morality is centered on utility just as I would be careful of someone who had baby Jesus tell him not to use stem cells.
--- I’m looking forward to the rest of this essay as I’ll probably have responses to some of what you have written. You and I have a similar habit of writing more then required. So, I’ll forgive you that if you do the same for me. I’m either too blind to see it but I find your view as paranoid. Fuck ‘em, there is an ebb and flow to these political debates and for now it seems the Fundies are having fun. But, to suggest that they are taking over appears over the top. I don’t feel fear the Christian Fundies near as much as I fear the Islamic ones.
Many Miles, Many Shoes
To Believe or Not to Believe....
Why is it that people always have to be right or wrong? Why can people not just have beliefs that comfort them and not have others tell them they are right....or wrong? Billions may believe in an Abrahamic god....billions may believe in mutiple gods....does that make either group right or wrong? Should we be that concerned about something nobody can prove such that we want to hurt those that don't believe as we do? NO!
In the end, nobody wants to see anyone die. Nobody wants to see anybody in pain. Nobody wants to cry becuase they lost someone close to them!
We need to stop arguiing about who has the right spin or the right thought or the best belief in something we all do not know the answers to. Instead, we need to all work together to share our thoughts and be fair about what we believe. We all need to love each other, as lame as that may sound to many. We need to able to believe, yet not be persecuted becuase we don't believe the same way. We need the basic human instinct....the basic human drive....we need love....and we need freedom!!!
I agree with statements made
I agree with statements made by previous speakers. All opinions are worthy of respect and close attention. The only thing I would like to recommend is to be considerate of each other - there is definitely not enough tolerance in our cruel world.
P.S. Jesus was a real man. amen.
Thanks Brent
I know this is way after the fact, but damn DarkSyde, this gets better every time I read it. Thank you for providing a classic, honestly man. This sums up the whole experience better than anything I've ever read. Truly, truly a classic.
thanks.
Never seen it better described or explained. I feel I'm in good company in my exclusion from the delusion. Still, it ain't easy to keep one's head above water in the U.S. when you don't comply.
Jesus was a man that was a
Jesus was a man that was a part of history.It is documented and proven that he walked on this earth over 2000 years ago. It is his resurection that may be argued. That is where faith begins. To compare this faith with Santa Clause is like comparing day and night. I suggest you study the Bible and get the facts from there and not from man. The truth shall set you free.
Jesus a man?
Jesus may have been an historical figure, as were many other so called prophets of the time. So? It is difficult to imagine how so many people believe that the ONLY truth is found in the christian bible. The supposed "inerrant bible" is an inconsistent, contradictory hodge-podge of often unintelligible blather. Virtually all of its so called prophecies are couched in vague and/or broad strokes that could describe almost any event a later interpreter chooses to apply them to.
The assumption that the "ancients" were somehow infinitely wiser or privy to a "truth" greater than we know today is simply bogus. While some were apt observers of human behaviour, they had no greater intelligence, nor were they any more prescient, than people of today. All such writings prove is that there are certain consistencies in human motives and behaviours which remain with us today.
The "truth" which many believe will "set [us] free" amounts to an enslavement of the mind and heart to a myth that is, in fact, no more substantial than Santa Claus.
TLS
Santa was a man too
The man known as Santa Claus was originally a hybrid of a Christian saint (Saint Nicholas of Myra) and pre-existing Pegan myths (such as that of Odin and the Yule ball). Although the literal Santa Claus never existed Saint Nicholas may have (or did, if you believe the bible).
Jesus was NOT a real man and NOT a part of history
There is no direct evidence from the time he supposedly was here to document that he ever lived. Jesus was just the latest version of previous man/god saviours who resurrect to the north pole ... I mean heaven.
Enjoyed this so far.
Always Interesting.
It's always interesting to read someone (from the minute fraction faction) who looks at the Truth (God Is) acknowledged by billions and claims: You are all deluded! So much more credible than the claims of the billions. Great argument. "Sounds weird and lots of people have believed it and still believe it. Obviously: Not true."
The article would be more readable if you'd dispense with the Santa stuff after a couple of paragraphs. It got old fairly early on, and it ceased to even be academically interesting somewhere around a third of the way in - and this is aside from the ad hominem. The only real point you need to make is that being an atheist feels like people insisting that you believe in Santa Claus.
It is extremely unlikely that a 4-year-old has a sophisticated theological notion in its head, so, you know, BS on that whole "I've Been An Atheist Since The Moment Of My Conception" idea.
I was bored stiff and drowning in cliche by the time you got to college. Maybe shorten the piece to the nuts and bolts. The rest of it is just tedious - and please don't act like you created the tedium for effect. You wrote a ton to say an ounce. Wake me up when it's over.
Atheism is not a
Atheism is not a "sophisticated theological notion". It is the simple lack of belief in God. All children are born atheists.
uh huh
So much more credible than the claims of the billions.
Yeah, like Copernicus and Galileo. Now that I think about it, all great people thought just like everyone else. Silly people, they were -- they should have just believed the claims of everyone else.
Apologies
I feel very sorry about how some "Santaists" have treated you. I should mention that Copernicus and Galileo were both Christians and that even though the religious "powers that be" did not accept their scientific claims, the Bible had already talked about the roundness of the earth thousands of years earlier. Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,. Likewise the Bible mentions numerous scientific facts that science confirmed years later (regardless of what the Religious fanatics interpreted from them). This page contains some of them >> http://www.evidencebible.com/witnessingtool/scientificfactsintheBible.sh... . Also Dr. Kent Hovind of Florida has a standing offer of $250,000 to "anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution." Evolution— true science fiction. His website is www.drdino.com.
One last thing--the reason why Christians want you to believe is not because they want to feel as they have a superior understanding to yours but that IF the claims are true and there IS a hell (which all the evidence points to), we love you enough to not want to see you go there. Good luck in your quest for truth (maybe you can be the one to claim the $250,00).
Roundness of the Earth?
Copernicus and Galileo showed that the Earth revolved around the Sun instead of the other way around, something that contradicts Biblical teachings. The shape of the Earth, which educated people have known is round for more than two millennia, has nothing to do with it.
Yup.
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Didn't you know that if billions of people believe that it's true, then it must be true?
Duh!
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If someone said it a long time ago
Then it must be true right? And if I say the most outrageous thing now then in a couple of millenia it will become true. I mean that is the way this whole thing works right? Or do I need to be a semetic shepherd for it to become true that way? I'm not sure.
Fellow Atheist
Brent,
I like your Santa comparison. It's strange how people replace perfectly good natural explanations with supernatural ones. They've been doing it for as long as humans have walked the earth, so it will probably take some time to shake. Some day God will just become a metaphor for nature, just how Santa is a metaphor for giving at Christmas. Alas, we wait for the religious to wake up and see what is right in front of them (or kill themselves off.)
If you want to hear another perspective on atheism, check out my blog site story "Maggie's Beautiful World." It's short, in 5 chapters - start of course at Chapter One.
Gren
Also...
... you forgot to include that one day Santa would not only deliver presents but send every non-believer to hell and take the believers to the North Pole so they can receive presents for eternity. You recall CNN's Apocalypse theory last summer right? Yeah, that's what get me religiously intolerant.
Beautiful writing!
I absolutely loved your essay. Keep up the good work!
Yes!
I would not only give them all the money i could, i would offer my body.
If it is ok to kill unborn
If it is ok to kill unborn babies for medical research and possibly cures, why don't we kill good, live, adult humans of a lower income level or mental capacity when we are in need of organs or tissue? We don't even need research to know that transplants work. That would "save lives" (and money).
BTW, Jesus is a historical figure, wheather you believe it or not, (read "The New Evedince That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell, he was an ardent atheist and hardened unbeliever when he did his research). True Christians are not trying to FORCE you to change, they want God to change you for your own good. This may not make sense, but it is true.
Bravo!
bravo, all theist folks should read this, maybe it would give them an idea of how completely insane and delusional their beliefs appear to those of us who look at the world in a rational scientific way.
I was not 'born' an atheist in the sense that I am now. If you could say I was born as anything, it would be a "weak atheist' one who has no beliefs that a god exists. I am a "strong atheist' who thinks the conept of a god is patently ridiculous.
Nobody is born a strong atheist, nobody is born a Christian or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, or anything. Nobody is born a Liberal or a Conservative, or a Marxist, or a neo-Nazi. We learn our political and religious beliefs over the course of many years.
Kudos
Lifelong atheist myself (withstood first conversion attempt at 4) and glad you wrote this. I can be found at AtheistForums as Jutter (CET gave me the heads up on your endeavors), and encourage you to keep on fighting the good fight. I'll try and join in as best I can. Not to unite (uniting is just dividing from a different angle) but to hopefully brake down the barriers that seperate us as humans. Or to sum it up, with my subject title...
Kudos.
oops
Did I say CET (I meant Nimitz). Credit where it's due. Heh. (might as well use the op. to correct an error, Of course I should've typed break in stead of brake. hey; I'm dutch.) again; kudos.
Travel Advice for Atheists
Countries where being an atheist is a bigger deal than having a minor stomach upset:
- United States of America
- Islamic Republic of Iran
- Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Not about religion
It's not about religion. It's about power. It's about the ruling class and its efforts to keep the lower class "dumbed down". Historically you can see this as conjecture or as fact.
But: 'Hey! The less people know about me and the more they "think" they know about me the better that I can milk a system that they think I represent.'
I have argued that religion and politics should not mix, yet I have come to understand that religion and politics do NOT mix, really!
Policy is the mechanism. Religion is a tool (among many). Policy is the mechanism by which the machine of society operates and is able to function.
Forget about what drives one to believe in a god. The real question is: What drives them to the voting booth? What drives people to make decisions based upon faith?
Those are the real questions. The simple answer is close-mindedness and ignorance. The unwillingness to step outside of a world that has somehow created a "comfort zone" that is inescapable for some odd reason (for which I am yet to fathom).
I am getting tired now, so I will leave it here as this: It's a red herring.
I submit this
I submit this
Interpretation
Humans are very inquisitive creatures. Unfortunately, it seems that we're incredibly insecure, and the first thing we can grasp with clarity can remain glued into our brains for thousands of years.
I enjoyed reading this essay; it was very informative. Those of you who say that Santa Claus and Jesus are two polar (no pun intended) opposites, are not thinking about it to the fullest extent - only to the extent you consider valuable for your cause. That's just what humans do, and that's fine. But please do consider that almost every atheist has tried out and been engaged in religion at one point in their lives, whereas theists rarely ever experience, whole-heartedly, the life of an atheist. Thus, how would you (theists) know what it's really like when you've never walked in atheists' shoes? You've never breathed for the other side of the argument? You've never considered their daily lifestyle?
I know it's scary, but the fact is, you don't know. A lot of people don't know a lot of things, and this insecurity causes distress. An easy solution to dissipate distress is to form an idea that sums up everything in simple words. "God made everything" is a very popular one, and can serve an early human very well, for a very long time. It can keep entire societies alive. But alongside insecurity, humans are famous for being curious and inventive. Once humankind began inventing, humankind began mentally evolving above the simplicity of previous thought processes. Copernicus and Galileo were the rare examples that allowed this human ability to shine, however briefly while they lived.
So the fact is, we don't know everything, and for what technology we have now, we can't. But just look back twenty years. The computer, the car, the cell phone, the DVD player, the MP3 player, alternative fuels, internet useage - all this is evidence of constant human invention, without divine intervention. Every eighteen months, new technology renders old technology obsolete. In twenty more years, we could be living on the moon for all we know. The pace is quickening, and still religion is hanging on - by a thread - to the lives of humans that simply don't need it. Yes, there are plenty of suffering people out there. But they need food and shelter and water - not deities. Religion is a very effective way of mental comfort, but no amount of mental comfort can adhere to the sheer power of physical existance and contenment. Money is happiness, whether the poor like it or not. Rich people are rarely sad if they use their profit well. But money is a physical thing, and for some reason, it's utilized in negative ways by megachurches. (have you ever looked at new churches? big screen TVs, nice food, carpeted floors, air conditioning and heat) It's unfortunate, but true. Knowledge is dangerous for past generations' traditions. And yet life goes on...
My point? Humankind is like a child, if you will. We can believe in and do almost anything we want, but someday, we need to grow up. What most people don't realize is that you can be as happy as a kid and still be an adult! It's not like they are opposites. Science and religion can coexist as long as they stay as far away from one another as possible. The same goes for religion and government. A person can believe in Santa - or rather, the idea of Santa's kindness - and still know that he doesn't exist. A person can believe in Jesus - or rather, the idea of Jesus' kindness - and still know that he may/may not have existed. Who knows? But more importantly, who cares? I'm an atheist, but I remain open-minded to new ideas and opinions so long as they can make sense out of it. Meanwhile, I'm living a perfectly normal life. I've never committed a crime, never been grounded by my parents, never hit anyone, never cursed blatantly, and never forced my opinion on others. That is why I'm doing my best to suggest to you a different solution to this, a solution that would better humanity as a whole, for the benefit of the future. If DarkSyde's scenario comes true, humankind would fall back into a state of obediance and gullibiliy. We would mentally step backwards in time, and all hopes for progression, in any sense, would crumble. Personally, I do not hate religion or any of their deities or followers; I hate what those ideals could do to humanity; I hate that those fears of insecurity could ruin this species; I am afraid of what fear is doing to billions of people.
I'm secure in the fact that I don't know everything. And that's saying a lot: I'm sixteen. Ignorance and bliss are tempting, but I can't ignore the fate of humankind so easily. I envy that some people can really, truly, actually believe these things and hold no doubt. But I do not envy their ignorance, fear, and mental regression. People have asked me by now, "what's your purpose for living, then? Shouldn't you just commit suicide?" Although they might love for that to happen, no ideas of death have haunted me. My purpose of living is to pass on my knowledge to the next generation, so that they can even better progess the human race. My reason for getting up in the morning is to enjoy a nice day learning new things in school, and to enjoy the taste of M&Ms and Mountain Dew and fettucini alfredo and whatnot. After all, I'm only human.
I'm sorry if this isn't the topic at hand, I just needed to get that off my chest. Thank you for reading this, and do reply if you feel the need.
-Kezrek
Well stated.
Kezrek, well stated. My compliments on having your perspective and sensibility without rancor at your age. I hope that the growth and experience you accumulate just adds to the depth of your understanding.
Jim Downey
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God
I'm a Canadian atheist, and I have never been critisized for being an atheist. I would tell people they would nod and say Ok, that was it.
Recently I have said I was an atheist on the internet and I have been getting hateful angry accusations thrown at me from Americans. I know not all Americans are like this, but What is their problem? I have a headache just thinking about their ignorance. It scares me, what are they trying to be a theocracy? Those don't work btw. Look at all the current theocracies in the middle east. HMMMM.... It really doesn't take a genius to figure out that politics and religion should never mix.
Put Perfectly
I'm a twelve year old athiest, and how you put it is almost exactly how I feel. I've gotten in trouble at school for refusing to say "one nation under God" in the Pledge. I've lost friends because of my refusal to believe in God. It's pretty bad. The only reason that I havn't been thrown out of my Boy Scout Troop, is because I'm friendly with most of the people there, including my Scout Master. One of my Assistant Scout Masters thinks that I'm to smart to be athiest. Lucky for me, the majority of my friends can look past me for being athiest, and I do have a few athiest friends, and we help eachother through.
hey there Brent, just found
hey there Brent,
just found your blog today, and found it helpful regarding atheism.but as for puppy grinding, made me cry a little, not cool man, not cool (lol).
open minded dog lover.
There are a few key
There are a few key differences between adults and unborn babies. Adults know a fear of death, babies have no understanding of the concept of death. Babies in the early stages of pregnancy (when the majority of people will accept abortion) can't feel pain, and can't live independently from the mother.
Oh wait...none of that matters, because the embryos we get for stem cell research are extras from fertility clinics THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN IMPLANTED ANYWAY.
Trying looking a cerebral palsy sufferer in the eye and tell them you condemn them to be a prisoner of their own body because you don't want to "murder" an unborn baby, despite that it never WOULD be born or have any concious thought or sensation.
Many athiests don't argue that Jesus existed, or that he was a wonderful, good hearted martyr. It's simply debated whether he was infact the son of God.
Okay to kill unborns eh...
... well what's this about Jesus's second coming? This is meant to cause mass hysteria and rid people from the earth (either heaven or hell). That's killing if I recall correctly. You're killing people and sending them to these places (the only possible way to send them to these places) by a holy figure who seems to oppose killing.
Wait a minute...
Holy figure who condemns killing kills non-believers and believers alike and sends them to where he thinks they should go? I don't hate the belief of god here or whatever, but that sounds self-centered and hypocritical.
Brent Nice response
Whoever coined the term "unborn child" to describe a fetus is about as manipulative a person you will find - way more manipulative than my mother or mother-in-law put together :-)
It isn't a child until it is born. It is a fetus.
One might argue that the fetus can survive on its own after about 20 weeks gestation. The actual number is something like 2% at 22 weeks (slightly more than half of full term of 40 weeks and halfway through the second trimester) This however, requires major medical intervention. Despite that, the 22 week preemie will likely have severe health issues for the rest of its life.
Anybody who calls a blastocyst an "unborn child" must have a weak mind. There is no other way to explain how that person could be manipulated into believing 100 cells = "unborn child."
Those who ask the most questions, have the most answers. - ARB (1991)
Can We Kill You First?
This comment is just so wrapped up in misconceptions and outright ignorance that it floors me.
No one is "killing unborn babies" and harvesting their delicious yummy stem cells for their evil, atheist dinner parties in Hell.
Here's a tip, Brainiac; When you comment on something like, oh, I dunno, embryonic stem cell research, maybe you should do a little reading at least, and get up to speed on, you know, the actual facts instead of what your Pastor screamed at you in church last Sunday.
Oh, BTW your BTW: I concede that a man named Jesus may have existed sometime around the beginning of the first century CE. I will not concede, however, that this man was the physical manifestation of a GOD.
Because, that'd be stupid.
Oh, one more thing - Josh McDowell is a money-grubbing hack who's playing you and your fellow Christian rubes like the lowing cash-cows that you are. Why don't you go hit the Christian bookstore and buy up another hundred bucks worth of Jesus romance novels.
surrounded by the insane
Northra,
I thought this was a great essay also and it reminds me of what my life used to be like before my college years. I too, thought I was alone surrounded by the terminally insane. Luckily, you live in the age of the internet and can reach out to like minded individuals. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't already a rationalist-skeptic-freethinking online community specifically for young adults like yourself. If there isn't one, maybe you should start it?
If you are interested in an amazing inspirational story about an atheist family and the hardships they had to endure and overcome, follow this link to read about the Smalkowski family in Hardesty, Oklahoma. The young lady, Nicole is particularly inspiring and I am sure she will grow up to do great things one day. Also, here is a link to Nicole's MySpace page. Hopefully, you don't have to put up with the nonsense she had to live through, but remember the old saying "what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger".
Good Luck,
Dirk
No Jesus
Alot of athiests tend to believe Jesus was at least a historical figure nothing more. I also have been told that Jesus is not even listed in any other current writings at the time. Only in the bible does Jesus come to be considered a historical figure and I would not consider the bible as a book to learn history from. There are older religions that have the same son of god sacrifice too hmmmmmmmm