Why atheists' arguments don't work.

Jim Downey's picture

A little chuckle for a Friday:


"Logic." You keep using that word -- I do not think it means what you think it means.*

Jim Downey

(Via MeFi. *Apologies.)

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scott johnson's picture

Logic?

Logic? Serriously? Everyone has the right to thier opinion, someone needs to take his right away, before he says anything else this horribly stupid.

JJR's picture

guy's real; YT atheists have debated him.

I recognize the guy's face, YT's atheist Vloggosphere has debated/responded to him. I really like the atheist video bloggers on YouTube, generally speaking. What I don't care for is the catty infighting and drama that sometimes periodically erupts because of oversized egos--I usually tune those videos out.

I don't participate (beyond leaving comments) because I'm way WAY too self-conscious to compose myself on camera and deliver a natural-sounding monologue...I'm simply amazed at Pat Condell or "The Amazing Atheist" on YouTube and wonder how many times they rehearse until they turn on the camera and get it right...and even after they've recorded the raw footage, they sometimes still have to go back in and edit the video to cut out the pauses, the "um" and "uh", etc. Pat Condell is really good on camera, and TJ aka "The Amazing Atheist" should be doing stand-up professionally, he's that good, especially at creating impromtu characters on the fly and acting out entire scenes, fictional or genuine.

I really like how YouTube has expanded the reach of Austin's local cable access show The Atheist Experience. It used to be an Austin-only local show, but now thanks to YouTube it has an *international* audience and following. Matt Dillahunty has Facebook friends in Croatia now.

Same is true for many Podcasts out there, like Dogma Free America, et. al.

Terra's picture

Nice

I am loss, completely loss... Hitler was an atheist? Pets are dog or cats? Even children are boys or girls? Needs to study a bit more and come back with a better argument...

frankmoorman's picture

Try this one

..on why it's OK for vaginal sex to hurt, even though, because anal sex hurts, that shows that god doesn't like anal sex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-2dtAun06c

For a real kick, you need to watch the whole thing, though I had to stop it a couple of times to recover. Watch for the spoon-and-orange demo of intercourse and the explanation that, while the clitoris is a gift from god (something to play with in exchange for all the pain of vaginal sex and childbirth), this guy's not sure how Jesus feels about licking it. (New slogan: WWJL.)

The thing with people like this is that they don't know what a terrific satire they are.

Frank Moorman, skeptic

heterodox's picture

dude.

this has got to be satire.

right?!?

Anonymous User's picture

The scary part is that he

The scary part is that he probably presents this "logic" to fellow believers who go off nodding their heads saying "he's right!"

I think this guy has to go back to school and learn a few things. Mainly how to present a logical argument. But maybe he's right on one thing. He hasn't seen his brain so maybe he doesn't have one!

Anonymous User's picture

Logic, Logic, I'm sick to death of logic

I took a 1 semester freshman intro course on symbolic logic in college 35 years ago, meaning what I dimly remember is more than what this guy knows, viz.: an argument is logical if it doesn't break any of the rules of logical reasoning. It is also true if it's underlying premises (i.e. the sky is blue, not green) match with known reality. That's where he has a problem.

Bonus points if you ID the quote in the subject.

Brent Rasmussen's picture

Journey To Babel

Spock's mom, Amanda in episode 45, "Journey To Babel":

Amanda: "Logic! Logic! I'm sick to death of logic! Do you want to know what I think about your logic?"
Spock: Emotional, isn't she?
Sarek: She has always been that way.
Spock: Indeed, why did you marry her?
Sarek: At the time, it seemed the logical thing to do.

richg's picture

That's painful to watch

I think this guy has to go back to school and learn a few things. Mainly how to present a logical argument.

Well put.

"I believe in preaching to the converted; for I have generally found that the converted do not understand their own religion." -G.K. Chesterton

Anonymous User's picture

How does it matter whether or not God exists?

Evolutionists get government grants to study evolution.
Preachers get tax exempt funds to expound God.
Anti-Christian Communist China sells both groups Easter Toys & microscopes.
Gun dealers sell guns to Atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslim, Mexican-Drug_cartel terrorists.
What does it matter whether God exists or not?
Everyone gets to play & argue & buy foreclosed homes.
To Wit: PlayStation / PrayStation.
Let's call the whole thing off.

george.w's picture

Kirk Cameron meets Ben Stein

He certainly seems to have hit upon the, um, high points. And he has that same long-pause, thinking-on-camera thing going on that most of them do. Practice your script once or twice before you turn on the camera, fundies! We don't have all day.

Hank Fox's picture

Jesusphile

I clicked through to the kid's YouTube account, and he has several videos up. I didn't want to watch any of them, but from the names of them, he looks like a total godder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi8q9jeyfeo&feature=channel

Hank Fox's picture

Spoof?

Well, I hope it's a joke, but I assumed he was a godder and he lost my interest 42 seconds in, when he said "You can't see air."

I always want to answer, "Well, you can't SEE the back of your head, or your brain. Does that mean it's not there?"

Hank Fox's picture

Ha!

Okay, watched the rest, and I see he used the brain argument too. Funny.

But watching it in full, there was nothing that made me think this was a joke. It had the unconscious certainty of the unfeigned.

The kid really believes "If you have a pet, it's either a cat or a dog, fifty-fifty," is an acceptable logical argument. Hell, just in my one household there has been a goat, a horse, a snake, a pet chicken, pet ducks, and canaries.

I think he's yet another of those young people poisoned by his environment. He might even be smart enough to understand larger arguments about religion, but he's never had the chance to hear them, or think about them. Give him 5 years, and he'll either be in so deep he can't see daylight, or he'll be embarrassed by this juvenile effort.

Douglas Christensen's picture

Real?

I'm still trying to figure out if this guy is real or if it is satire. Some of his stuff is so over the top...

Jim Downey's picture

Well,

I think it's a put-on. But I certainly have heard equally insane things and similar excuses for "logic" from people who meant it and thought that they were being clever.

As an aside, I think this is a fascinating phenomenon: the growing inability to tell the difference between the true nuts and people who are just mocking them. We've had such things forever, but it seems to have jumped up an energy level, if you know what I mean.

Jim Downey

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