Evaporating atheists? Keep praying monkeyboy.

RickU's picture

PZ over at Pharyngula pointed out this little gem of an op-ed by some schmoe by the name of David Klinghoffer. The title alone is enough to annoy me, "Prophets of the new atheism".

Of course, the writer commits several standard errors starting with calling atheism a religion.

Can disbelief in God be considered "religious"? Sure. Just ask Zen Buddhists, who worship no deity. By religion, I mean any faith-based set of values that makes exclusive claims for its truth and explains the mysteries of the universe. Yes, atheism begins with a faith, namely that only material and physical (not spiritual) causes make the world run.

No, no no no no no no. If lack of religion is a religion then not playing baseball is a sport. (Switchin it up there, see?) Atheists can be religious, but atheism is not a religion. It's a lack of belief in a god or god's. That's all, no more. Unlike Zen Buddhists atheists don't have any particular philosophy that we all share.
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He then blathers on about how Dawkins isn't addressing the ID movements "latest arguments" as if the Discovery Institute has ever put up anything worth even countering (apparently this guy works for DI according to the article).

Here's the next piece of excrement that bugged me:

Dawkins, for his part, mocks the God of the Hebrew Bible as "arguably the most unpleasant character in fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Such a wild caricature will be unrecognizable to any believer (like me) in the God of Israel. But Dawkins and Harris seem unfamiliar with religious tradition as biblical monotheists know it from personal experience and deep study. Frankly, the success of the new atheist faith would be hard to imagine without today's soaring levels of societal religious illiteracy.

Really? It would only be unrecognizable if you hadn't read the Bible. Dawkin's is absolutely right when he calls the god of the Bible those things. It's not mocking either. There are plain examples for each of those charges in the Old Testament (and some in the New) if you've got a reading comprehension above that of a 3rd grader.

The writer closes with:

Certainly, you can have an ethical individual atheist, an instinctively caring, generous person who happens to disbelieve in God. But an atheist society could not survive. It would first live on the fumes of ancient moral traditions. In the end, racked by despair at life's apparent meaninglessness, its members would return to more nourishing faiths.

That's what we see happening now in formerly communist Russia, with its Christian and Jewish revivals. The evaporation of atheist communism is a lesson worth pondering, and a sobering one, for the new atheists.

This is plainly mindless conjecture of what an atheist society would be like. It's pointless as well, as we won't see it in our lifetimes. Ask any "Awakened atheist" (thanks Hank) if they think their life is meaningless. On the topic of morality, once again we can also turn to science to see where our morals "come from" instead of religion as seen in some recent articles. Finally, the only lesson that the state imposed atheism can teach this current generation of atheists is that atheism cannot be foisted on a populace. No ethical atheist would ever attempt to do so. People have to come to their own conclusions in life, whether they're right on wrong. As long as there are rational, thinking people who don't rely on woo to run their lives and determine their fate there will be atheists. We will not evaporate into the mist no matter how hard you pray.

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Suricou Raven's picture

Oh, its just the Coulter

Oh, its just the Coulter model of thought. For a lot of believers, a worldview without religion is absolutly incomprehensable - its beyond even their ability to imagine. So their response is to classify everything as a religion. Coulter most famously declared that liberalism must be a religion, and this one is declaring that atheism must be a religion. Ive also seen it used to classify communism as a religion, and even to label 'youth culture' as a religion (Worshiped at the music-store with sacrifices to the god of Popularity).

Cat's picture

religion and belief not the same

Certainly, you can have an ethical individual atheist, an instinctively caring, generous person who happens to disbelieve in God. But an atheist society could not survive. It would first live on the fumes of ancient moral traditions. In the end, racked by despair at life's apparent meaninglessness, its members would return to more nourishing faiths.

Yup. And you can have an ethical individual Christian, that doesn't mean the religion promotes either ethics or individuality. Why do we need tradition? It's mostly worthless hunks of memory. For example the tradition of throwing spilled salt over your shoulder? Waste of salt. The tradition of tossing coins into pools? Waste of money, it damages the local ecosystem and harms local wildlife. Fountains I'm fine with because by and large it doesn't hurt anything and the money may go to charity. Ya, life is meaningless in terms of we aren't assigned meaning. There was no one to look at me when I was a wee lassie and say "ai, this girl will be a doctor" or "this girl will be a teacher" so my parents could then plan out my life and education accordingly. Should I be unhappy about that? Where this person sees meaninglessness I see freedom to choose my own life for myself.

That's what we see happening now in formerly communist Russia, with its Christian and Jewish revivals. The evaporation of atheist communism is a lesson worth pondering, and a sobering one, for the new atheists.

Um, ya. That so has to do with atheism. The fact that by and large the people in Russia were forced to abandon religious traditions long held by their families has absolutely nothing to do with why they might be reviving now that the law banning religion is no longer in effect. It's similar to the reason Wicca and Polytheism are undergoing a revival despite Christianity's best attempt to stamp them out. The new atheists on the other hand are choosing their own beliefs, not being forced to believe them. There's a big difference, but perhaps a Christian wouldn't understand that.

RoonDog's picture

That's not quite true

As a (former?) Sovietologist, let me chime in.

While there was no official state religion and the Communist leadership did indeed frown on organized religion, they allowed superstitions to flourish, including the practice of organized religions. The only catch was that you could not be a practicing member of any organized religion (except the worldly deification of the Marxist/Leninist heroes and, of course, the cult of Stalin) and expect to advance in your career, or be a member of the Communist Party and, thus, reap any of the benefits afforded to members. Yes, there were a few churches converted to motorcycle clubs (the famous example) and a few churches were razed but these were fairly isolated incidents and they happened early on in the revolution or soon after it at the hands of a few zealots who encountered stiff ideological resistance centered around local religious authorities. In any event, the Soviet people were allowed their pagan superstitions to any extent desired and, given the machinations of the orthodox church, were essentially continuing a deep tradition dating back to pre-Christian times, i.e., they have always been intensely superstitious people and many sociologists have speculated it is due to the isolation and expanse of the forests in which they developed their culture (read "The Icon and the Ax," still an amazing read on Russian/Soviet history).

So, when the Soviet Union fell, the cult of personality at the top was replaced by the traditionally crazed Orthodox priests (and yes, most of them do look and act as wildly irrational, erratic and controlling as the most hyperbolic account of Rasputin would lead you to believe). The priests offered forgiveness to the 'Wild East' criminality sprouting up in the former Soviet Republics in exchange for gold, luxury cars, open tabs at restaurants and bars, grocery deliveries via air from the highest-end delis in Western Europe, hookers, etc. And, because of the desperation at the bottom and the seeming faddish nature of paying attention to the old churches as seen on TVs and read in newspapers, the lower classes (no middle there at the time) also began turning to their sex-starved madmen in black for a way out.

In other words, the Soviet attitude towards religion was perhaps 1% the horror fed to us by our own propagandists and the new post-Soviet attitude towards religion is very traditional wherein god extracts gold from those who have it and souls from those who have nothing.

"You better start giving me some inner peace before I mop the floor with you." - Homer S.

or

"Pinky, you excel at random." - the Brain

RoonDog's picture

God told David to take the foreskins of defeated Philistines

Such a wild caricature will be unrecognizable to any believer (like me) in the God of Israel.

Let me help with some topical pith, this being the day after Easter:

God is omniscient, omnipotent, and eternal, right? If he is all three of these, and the bible says he is, then he knows all that has happened, is happening, and will happen. He had to know what would happen when he created us and yet he allowed us to believe one way for thousands of years (Judaism), only to pull the rug out from under us and change directions (Christianity).

Or, with the Easter reference, he sent down his son and allowed him to be brutally murdered to satisfy his own need for a blood sacrifice in order to save us from his own whims?

I am not sure of the single word to describe this abomination (oh, maybe I do) but I know love doesn't act that way. Or, if that's what this god means by love, then he deserves neither my kudos nor my thanks since my faithless morality is set more than a few rungs higher than that.

"If god exists, he'd better not let me die 'cause when I come to see him... well, let's say a Southern Plains thunderstorm will seem like a blue sky."

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