Ray Comfort Blames Mall Shooting On "Secular World"

Brent Rasmussen's picture

Interesting... It appears that Ray Comfort has a blog. Here's his take on the recent mall shooting in Omaha.

[link] If the secular world insists on saying that there is no God and that we are the products of evolutionary chance, they are saying that they have no idea where we came from, what we are doing here, or where we are going after death. Robert A. Hawkins is the tragic result of that meaningless existence.

This is in response to a line in Hawkin's suicide note which read:

[PDF] "I've just snapped I can't take this meaningless existence anymore I've been a constant disappointment and that trend would have only continued."

The tragedy at the mall in Omaha was terrible, but blaming it on the "secular world" is a mistake. There has been no indication that Hawkins' was an atheist, or a Christian, or anything at all so far. (It's a good bet that he was a Christian, though. His parents and step parents issued press releases through their churches.)

But here's the thing, Ray old chap. Even if the kid turns out to be an atheist, this says exactly nothing about whether or not your god exists. People have been killing people and themselves for as long as we've been "people". Human being are animals that kill - sometimes for what we think are good reasons, and sometimes for not-so-good reasons. Hawkins' brain was broken, obviously, and his reasons were very, very bad, but the existence or non-existence of a magical man in the sky does not have anything to do with them.

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JJR's picture

"...It's almost like he's

"...It's almost like he's doing it to make himself feel better. He speaks his piece, and sits back smiling convinced his ideas are air-tight because he believes them, and that's good enough."

Man, don't ALL Christians pretty much do precisely that...? Every Sunday?

Anonymous User's picture

wondering

So do the bloggers or readers here have any sympathy for the victims or their friends and families?

Brent Rasmussen's picture

Huh?

No way! Us atheists enjoy seeing people suffer needlessly. Why, I grind up puppies and feed them to kittens just for kicks! Then I laugh, and laugh.

What an incredibly insulting question. Of course I have sympathy for the victims, their families, and their friends. I cannot imagine the pain they are going through right now, and it breaks my heart to think about it.

However, blaming it on the ee-veel secularists is just despicable and disgusting.

Hank Fox's picture

Grinding puppies

Well, but Brent, you only grind up pit bull puppies. A REAL atheist would grind up lovable Golden Retriever puppies.

Cat's picture

Nan des ka?

I'm not exactly sure where this question is coming from.
Criticizing guy who blames tragedy on an unrelated scapegoat does not equal Not having sympathy for the victims and their families.

That being said, although I feel some sympathy for them, it's nothing compared to how much sympathy I have for the poor animals who were affected by the recent oil spill in Korea.

"If there is evil in this world, it lurks within the hearts of men" ~Edward D. Morrison, Tales of Phantasia

Mountain's picture

It's funny how

people like Ray look to tragedies like this and take an I-told-you-so attitude. This man, I would guess, was suicidally depressed or something similar, and Ray takes this guy's pain, and the pain he caused others, and billboards it for all to see in that insufferably smug, arrogant, and mock-humble way of his.

Personally, Ray doesn't anger me much as his arrogance is equaled by his utter lack of curiosity about whether his arguments make sense to anyone. It's almost like he's doing it to make himself feel better. He speaks his piece, and sits back smiling convinced his ideas are air-tight because he believes them, and that's good enough.

I feel bad for the guy, really.

No More Mr. Nice Guy's picture

What is it with xians and their persecution complex?

They're not happy unless they're outraged about alleged persecution. The more they tighten their stranglehold on every corner of the US and every trace of political, judicial and legal power, the more they whine about being a poor helpless persecuted minority. Bizarre. I wonder if it has some sado-masochistic basis.

- No More Mr. Nice Guy!

Cat's picture

Everyone loves a victim

Seriously, if there's one thing I learned from the Duke Lacrosse Trial it's that everybody loves a victim, a lot of people stuck by the girl even after the evidence started to look suspicious. Heck even after it came out that the girl basically lied about the whole thing lots of people were still behind the "poor little black rape victim". Fact is, most people sympathize with the down trodden. Most of the time, that's a good thing, the downtrodden are the ones least likely to be able to fight back without support, although occasionally the "victim" is actually the aggressor.

But anyway, it seems to me that the Christians are trying to pull off the paradox of simultaneously being the dominant force on the planet and being the poor meek downtrodden people who everyone picks on. That way they can enjoy the fruits of their power and no one will dare try to curtail them without becoming the "bad guy/bully".

It's also built into their mythology. During the Roman time they were the chosen followers of god, and also the predecessor of Purina Lion Chow. Previously in Jewish mythology they are the chosen masters/stewards of the planet and the poor little group of idiots who must eternally repent for their ancestors' misdeeds.

"If there is evil in this world, it lurks within the hearts of men" ~Edward D. Morrison, Tales of Phantasia

Hank Fox's picture

Thin-Skinned Paranoids

"The Persecution Times" deleted my response to their post on the shootings. Their original post said:

Has persecution finally come to the Church in America?

Like so many of you, I have been following the shocking news of the two shootings today (Sunday) in Colorado. [...]

Many will be asking if this is the beginning of persecution of Evangelical Christians in America or if these were just isolated incidents.

If it is the start of persecution here, I wonder if we are ready for what lies ahead? Will Americans think twice about going to church in the future knowing that a crazed gunman could repeat these atrocities? [...]

I believe that suffering and persecution are part of the "normal Christian life" and that we, in the United States, have been spared up until now.

My plea to the Evangelical Church here in America is that we prepare for what might be ahead and unite under the banner of Jesus Christ who showed so much love for us.

And please don't stop going to church. Let us realize that his "banner over us is love," and we must not allow the gunmen to stop us worshiping the risen Savior.

And I responded, in a comment that was rejected and deleted:

Poor persecuted Christians. You make up more than 80% of the people in the U.S., and yet you still manage to imagine yourselves a downtrodden minority. Truly a miracle!

Just so we're clear on how mistreated and discriminated-against American Christians are NOT, note that every member of Congress - save one recent Muslim and a few scattered Jews - is a Christian. Every governor of every state is a Christian. On the local level, it's virtually impossible to get elected to any office without paying homage to Jesus.

Most of my life, you had to swear on the Bible even to serve on a jury. And lest we forget, the President of the United States, George W. Bush, the most powerful man in the country, the most powerful man in the world, is a very vocal Christian.

Every piece of U.S. money, every coin and bill, serves double duty as a Christian tract, with "In God We Trust" stamped on it. Rich, powerful televangelists blanket the airwaves of every city and state.

Christians sit on every official policy-making body in the nation. It is absolutely impossible to pass any bit of public legislation, to create any least scrap of public policy, without it passing through the hands of Christians. Every bill, every law, every ordinance, every legal decision, has Christian input.

Further, every corporation in America likely has a majority of Christians on its board of directors. Every school principal in America - and every teacher - is about 20 times more likely to be a Christian than any other religion. No matter where you live in the United States, it's a good bet you can walk to a Christian church.

And while we're at it, since we're talking about a shooting here, let's ask ourselves who owns most of the guns in the U.S.? Bingo. Christians.

Christians are not downtrodden. NOT discriminated against. They own America, and everything in it. The rest of us can't even sneeze in public without the Christian presence making itself known in a chorus of god-bless-yous.

Oh, but, you poor things, do please rush to unite under the banner of Jesus Christ. Huddle together for safety against the small, powerless, disorganized - but DANGEROUS! THREATENING! - non-Christian remainder of America.

And while you're at it, why not pass some new laws limiting the freedom of the rest of us to speak up in public, to have equal rights and representation, to pursue science and free education?

After all, we do want you to feel safe.

Jim Downey's picture

Now, Hank . . .

. . . I'm sure that your comment wasn't rejected, but was just somehow accidentally deleted.

Jim Downey

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Dirk Diggler's picture

I've tried posting rebuttals...

...on xian websites many times. Usually it's in response to "atheists believe this" or "atheists did that" articles. For some reason, I can't find one that will accept my comments? I'm not surprised that Ray "bananas prove god" Comfort's blog is any different. Persecution indeed.

Although this persecution complex thing they have reminds me of a clever bumper sticker I saw a while back..."Too many Christians, not enough lions."

Brent Rasmussen's picture

Actually

Actually, Hank was talking about another blog called "The Persecution Times". Ray Comfort's blog is called "Comfort Food" and from what I've read, atheist comments get through just fine there.

Dirk Diggler's picture

Misunderstood

Ah ha. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just followed the link to Comfort's blog and saw a comment from 'Arizona Atheist'. I assume that was you.

Thanks for the clarification (you too Hank).

Hank Fox's picture

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I'm not sure there's any connection between Ray Comfort and this Persecution site. They're just a site I happened to find which ALSO commented on the thing.

Jeff Hebert's picture

VatTech

So I take it Mr. Comfort blamed the Virginia Tech shooting on God, since Seung-Hui Cho compared himself to Jesus in his manifesto?

Oh, wait, I forgot -- everything is secularism's fault.

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