You're Not Helping

Brent Rasmussen's picture

Let's say you're a junior majoring in biology and behavioral health at Penn State. You are anxious to write a scathing letter to the editor of the university's student newspaper, The Daily Collegian, because you disagree with the way that a recent lawsuit concerning religious messages on bricks has been settled, and you wish for your voice to be heard by your peers about this matter.

How to begin your letter? Should you be respectful? Should you lay on the sarcasm, the fiery rhetoric? Should you start it off with a bang, or attempt to be coolly rational throughout the whole 300 words?

Wait a minute... How about if you act exactly like a stereotypical parody of an "angry atheist" instead! That's GENIUS!

Let me begin by mentioning that I'm an atheist, giving praise to one book only: Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species.

*sigh*

I really think that Adam Schrenzel, the letter-writing junior at PSU in question, meant well. However, he is 100% wrong about this one. PSU screwed up when they rejected alumni James Pursley's personal religious message on a brick that he purchased for the PSU Alumni Walk. They discriminated against his religious views, pure and simple, while allowing other alumnus religious views. This is a clear-cut civil rights violation - and PSU realized that and set things right, which is why the lawsuit was thrown out.

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richg's picture

He also wrote: Look back at

He also wrote:

Look back at our history and understand that religion has no right to be in the public eye

Unfortunately his view is not supported by history. Virtually every one of the founding documents of this country show evidence of being inspired by religious viewpoints and convictions. From the Mayflower Compact through the Declaration of Independence - the writers' religious convictions are right on the surface, and used to support what they wrote.

I have seen the active suppression of some of this religious basis. My daughter's HS American History contained the text of the Mayflower Compact, but when I checked this against the World Book Encyclopedia, there was a major difference - the textbook had been edited to remove all references to their religious goals - and there was no disclaimer that it had been sanitized.

If the "privately held religious convictions" had been kept private, the Civil War may not have happened, and who knows how much longer slavery would have lasted. For it was the Quakers who spearheaded the Abolition movement - from public application of their religious convictions.

"I believe in preaching to the converted; for I have generally found that the converted do not understand their own religion." -G.K. Chesterton

Neil the password forgetter's picture

I agree with Brent...

but at first, the letter seemed almost a parody piece. I well remember what it was like to be a young skeptic who loved breathing fire on bullshit and taking my political opinions too far. But I cringe at his (hopefully) tongue-in-cheek remark about praising The Origin of Species. I'm sure he intended it to be humorous, but putting it in a religious context bugs me. I'd probably like the kid, but his opinions could use some knowlegde and thought, and his writing could use a lot of refinement and restraint.
And he does take his opinion too far into other peoples' rights. A private entity could certainly restrict what speech could appear. But if Adam really cares about free expression, he would not suggest that such extreme limitation would be appropriate at a state university, particularly in such a frivolous aspect as a charity brick. At least not unless everyone else's viewpoints were censored as well, which would accomplish nothing except to provide less freedom and more suck for everyone.

Richg:A kudo and a complaint.
I like that you took the time to bust the guy's balls regarding his ridiculous assertion about the right of religion to be in the public eye. Makes me wonder where he's been living!
But then you dive into a little b.s. of your own. Knowing a little about the extremely religious nature of many of the original colonists, it surprises me that specific religious goals aren't mentioned more often in the documents of the time. There is a reference in the Mayflower Compact about advancing their religion, but it is only mentioned in the beginning prelude along with other cultural intangibles like "for honour of the King," and "for the glory of God." Every other culture uses similar general pleasantries, but those watered down "convictions" are not explained or expounded in the document. The rest is the meat, which is all about working together and establishment of a government of people, and contains no further religious specifics.
As the colonies grow, the language becomes more watered down, and by the Declaration of Independence the scant religious references are about a deistic god, literally equivalent to the "Laws of Nature," used as no more than a legal fiction, a more powerful word for "will" or "conscience" to be used when rebelling against a King and church leader. Even the Declaration makes it clear that it is the will of the PEOPLE that makes a just government possible. Any god, any icon, any religion could be substituted in those religious references, and not change the intent of the documents a whit.
Yes, the majority of Americans have always been at least culturally christian. And I agree that many great political movements have had at least partially(sometimes mostly) religious bases or underpinnings.
But the official documents were astoundingly areligious for the time, and it has only helped the religious(of all faiths)and the non-religious. Some of the most prolific and influential Founders were moderate-liberal christians, deists, freethinkers, or atheists. Many struggled to keep government as secular as possible, and the leaders of various sects were wise enough to see the fairness of the approach.

In the case on textbook censorship you present, I am curious. There doesn't seem to be much religious content to omit, and there is no reason to omit it from a high school text. I can understand editing flourishes for the younger readers, maybe, but in high school?
I can assure you that my experience in school was quite different. I graduated from a California high school in 1991, and my American History classes had plenty of religious history. In my opinion, the religious motivations of the colonists were overplayed in my classes and textbooks, and there was almost no focus on the economics and politics behind the events.
In fact, I would have to say that at least in my time in school, there were many examples of christian and politically conservative propaganda and censorship. I had to do my own research to get any info on eastern religions. I had to do my own research to find out anything about communism and socialism that was more detailed than republican name-calling. I got a little taste of Native American history, but not much. That one stings a bit, since I have hundreds of unnamed Chickasaw and Cherokee relatives whose corpses still fertilize the plains of the midwest. The closest I ever got to a balanced approach was a study of McCarthyism in a junior year AP history class. So forgive me if I'm a little skeptical about claims of anti-christian bias. If things have changed that much in a few years, it slipped by me.

richg's picture

Thanks

Thanks for the well stated response. While my experience differs somewhat from yours, I will comment on one thing:

Some of the most prolific and influential Founders were moderate-liberal christians, deists, freethinkers, or atheists. Many struggled to keep government as secular as possible, and the leaders of various sects were wise enough to see the fairness of the approach.

There were also Masons, Catholics, Quakers and Baptists. And they were able to work through their differences toward a common goal of setting up a country that would allow a wide range of differences in their creeds, without making either the presence or absence of a religious belief system a condition (or even a motivation) of their participation in the public arena.

It seems that we are losing that ability to work together.

"I believe in preaching to the converted; for I have generally found that the converted do not understand their own religion." -G.K. Chesterton

neil the password forgetter's picture

Exactly.

There were many different religious sects involved in the founding of the country, mostly various types of protestant christianity. Without the rise of governmental secularism, they might not have survived their own company.
It seems to me that the Quakers might have suffered almost as badly as the Native Americans, if the religious leaders had not been restrained by the secular nature of the founding documents of the nation.
I too regret that the superstitious and the non-superstitious have problems working together, but it has always been so. As long as we concentrate on our mutually observable reality, progress is possible.

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