The Childish Theology Of J.L. Hinman

tell your retarded friend who keeps trying to post on my blog that I an take criticism of my ideas. what I cant' take is stupidity, uninformed ignorance wasting my time with bull shit. I do not have time to give you the liberal arts education you didn't get as a child. You are just going to have to start reading books and learn things.

I also don't publish personal attacks. See now that means when you start talking about how bad I am that's a personal attack and I wont put it up.

Now I know I'm making a personal attack here, but that seems to be the only thing you can understand.

He named three theologians. yes, little know nothing, they were from the were from the middle ages you little putz.

you guys don't have the intelligence or the learning to deal with me. you are not smart enough to post on my blog, so don't.

you can't possibly understand what I'm saying on there because you are too stupid to learn anything about theology. So just stay out of it. you do not have the right to enter a discussion that you will not prepare for.

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you sure an idiotic little piece of shit. your little gimmick, "the courtiers replay" is so mother fuck meaningless. no philosopher or graduate student in any field would ever try that shit in a real class. what third grade understanding of philosophy you have!

You know nothing asserted that Christianity is about a big man in the sky. I prove by documenting about about 20 articles that process theology is not about that. you, moron know nothing that you are, says "nonsense." thus showing that you know nothing about theology.

like the little know nothing prick you are you continue to answer that you actually know something while you say nothing. You demonstrate an actual lack of knowledge and then act like you impress yourself with it.

Responding to, what you deem as the Courtier's Reply, with a string of ad hominem attacks is better how? Sure, Hinman aka Metacrock used them too, but are we children on the playground, or adults trying to discuss our world views?

Is it possible to "prove" that there are no gods? Of course not. In order to do so, one would have to know every single bit of information about the universe. However, I can say without any hesitation that there is not one single, miniscule piece of evidence that any gods exist or that there is anything beyond the observable, empirical, physical universe. There is nothing in the known universe that requires anything beyond the natural processes of chemistry and physics to explain. There is no need to postulate the existence of any realm beyond the natural processes of the universe. For me, the complete absence of evidence in any field of endeavor is sufficient to conclude that, barring extraordinary evidence for which there is no hint, that there is no "supernatural" process or processes in the universe.

What a curious "debate". As a christian, I accept that there is no proof for the existance of god. For that reason I'm more at home identifying myself as an agnostic. And just like I cannot wrap my head around fundamentalist beliefs I have a hard time understanding the intellectual stance of the atheist. I've yet to come across an arguement by an atheist that empirically proves that god does not exist.

To my way of thinking I feel it is academically honest to hold atheists to the same standard of proof that I'd hold a christian to. Neither christians or atheists can prove their point of view. If I'm revealing my ignorance and there is in fact an empirically verifiable proof that god does not exist I'd appreciate reading it.

Aside from all that the name calling thru this "dialogue" is at best childish and both sides have fallen prey to that demonstration of ignorance. To me, atheism is a belief system that is grounded in a faith - they believe that there is no god. Would that both sides could talk with each other about their differences and then see if there is any common ground. I believe - again no proof is present - that many ethical, moral atheists want the same or similar things as progressive christians - a just society where each person is valued because of their humanity. But then again I may be naive.

All of this reminds me of books that come out about the science or physics of television shows and movies (science of star trek/superman, and the physics of buffy to name a few). You can write 300 pages about a fictional character or world, and how you think fictional things are done within it, but in the end it doesn't make all of those characters and events real.
'Expert' Theologians have written books expanding on/explaining fictional characters and events? Great, but let's not elevate it to "important". Let's call it what it is: Fan Fiction.

- Matt K.

J.L. Hinman an applause and a dumbass award for being just born a damn idiot.

Well, ONE of the arguments here seems to be that there's this special form of Christianity, TRUE Christianity, which is beyond people who don't have PhDs, and atheists are too stupid to understand it.

I think that argument is silly, considering that more than a billion Christians also don't have PhDs, and also wouldn't understand Metacrock's more-elite arguments, whatever they might be (I haven't seen 'em).

In the end, I "believe in" real things. I don't need a PhD to know fire trucks exist, or dogs. I see them every day. And even when I don't see them, I hear them, smell them, see the evidences they leave -- evidences elementary school children, unassisted by PhDs, can also detect.

Maybe you need a PhD to fully UNDERSTAND fire trucks and dogs, but you don't need one to see them. Maybe you need a PhD to understand nuclear physics, but you don't need one to see a nuclear reactor -- the real, working evidence that nuclear physics exists and is true.

I'm still waiting for the real, working evidence of gods. Where is it?

No amount of arm-waving and shouting -- no matter how smart and educated the person doing it is -- is going to take the place of some simple, convincing evidence.

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And by the way, Metacrock, "I'm right because I'm bright" is one of the biggest hazards of being smart. Those Enron guys learned that. And using that argument IN an argument, if you're really hoping to convince somebody of something, is one of the dumbest things you can do. People don't like hearing "You're stupider than me, so shut up!" Which seems to be your basic point here, kiddo.

Calm down and produce the evidence. Tell me ONE simple thing -- something as obvious as fire trucks and dogs -- that convinces you a supernatural superbeing exists.

I'm going to copy and paste a response I wrote about another one of these loonies over at PMomma's blog, it seems pretty apropos to this nutball too...

"Any of you folks ever talk to your dog? Or any dog? You always get the same result. The dog watches you intently with that happy doggie look on his face, tilting his head from one side to the other as he quivers with barely restrained excitement from all of this attention being lavished on him. Gary Larson of "The Far Side" had a cartoon once titled something like "what dogs hear" and it was the dog's owner talking to the dog, and the thought bubble over the dog, indicating what he got from the conversation, went like this: "Fido, blah blah blah blah blah, blah Fido blah blah blah, blah Fido blah blah Fido blah blah blah."

This is exactly the same response any attempt to converse with these faithodroids offers as a result. These creatures have no faculties for reason and logic. They have deliberately constrained their universe to the pages of a book of dubious origin heralding a primitive mythology with no evidence to support it. They have cast off that which makes humans so special on this planet, the ability to reason, to use logic, to deduce the realities of the universe from empirical evidence, and to have any freedom of choice in their actions. They may be somewhat functional in their everyday lives, but judging from the incredible lack of literacy and evidence of any kind of education, their everyday lives are probably about as menial and base as is possible in this country.

No amount of evidence, no amount of scientific consensus, no amount of logic, nothing that anybody here can do or say is going to change that. They do not have the intellect to grasp it, and what little intellect they may have had they intentionally surrendered in exchange for the idiotic belief that some fairy tale creature would reward them for it. They are as far from human as it is possible to be for beings that share the DNA of humanity. There is only one benefit that they have to the human race, genetic diversity.

Any further discussion with them is pointless. Their wretched little soapbox on the internet is obviously the brightest part of their world, the only thing that makes them feel worthy, and there is no proof sufficient to them that they are as wrong and as ignorant as it is possible to be.

Ignore them and they will wither on the vine. There will be sporadic outbursts of colossal stupidity which will gradually fade away as they find some other unfortunate to spew their ignorant bile upon."

This is like when the surgeon enters the waiting room to address the concerns of the patient's family and says, "I'm afraid it's worse than we first suspected."

Because I am fairly positive that ALL Christian-flavored theology sees their god-thing as an invisible magical man who lives in the sky.

>>exactly! you don't know anything about it. Not ture. Go read Process theology, go read Tillich, read Motlmann, read some liberal theology. you don't know anything about it. you have not read any, you don't know it. It's alien to you you are talking about things you don't know about. and you are too lazy to learn.

Criticizing things you don't you anything about has always been taken as the sign of an arrogant baboon. that's what you are.

You really don't understand the things you are trying to talk about. You are flapping your ignraont gums about things you have never read and don't really know. Have you read some major theologians? If you think Jerry Fallwell is a theologian then stop right there, no, you have not.

. . . Brent, where do you find these clowns? I read his post and replies - he's barely literate. Or suffering some kind of significant health issue which inhibits his ability to type (or correct his errors).

Wow - I need a drink just to make the room stop spinning from reading that junk.

Jim Downey

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doesn't 'god' frown on taking his name in vain? that's like in the top 5 of the 10 commandments- hovering around number 2? just sayin' that calling someone names and threatening and swearing isn't very christian. or is he a fundie? fine line i know ;)