
Observations and inanities by a second-shift assistant supervisor in the Puppy-Grinding division of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy® (our motto: "Sure it's cruel, but think of the jobs!"), your host, Brent Rasmussen.
The Prayer Mafia
In response to Alon's article on the "pseudo-charity" being practiced by the Salvation Army below, a commenter by the name of Chris asks the question:
[link] Is there any evidence that any church-sponsored shelters "require" prayer from their clients? Or do they merely gather people around the table and say "let us pray" and their clients just go along with it?
Well, oddly enough, I have direct experience with church-sponsored shelters and their use of coercion, guilt, and outright physical force to get me to pray a Christian prayer - before being allowed to eat and sleep.
More below the flip...
The year was 1990. I was 25 years old and only a year out of active-duty Navy. Three years left on my inactive reserve service, but at that point in time, the first Iraq war was still just a build-up, and we seemed to have unlimited active duty folks who were willing and able to walk over there and kick some ass.
I was an aircraft mechanic in the Navy. Specifically a hydraulicsman, but cross-trained into aircraft structural repair and maintenance. This would serve me well after my honorable discharge in 1989 because aircraft structural mechanics are never out of work.
Well, never out of work as long as they are willing to become modern-day gypsies and travel anywhere in the world on an hour's notice, that is.
I was still learning this hard lesson about my chosen career path. I had a young family - a wife and three kids, and we were renting a small house in Mesa, Arizona. A job became available in Clearwater Florida. It was paying aircraft structural mechanics almost double per hour than what my current job was paying. My wife and I talked it over and we decided that I should travel out to Clearwater and work my ass off as long as the contract held out. She would stay home with the kids, and I would send most of my paychecks home so that she could take care of the bills and the groceries and the rent. It made sense. I could make very nearly a year's worth of wages in only 10 or 12 weeks, if I was lucky and the overtime held out.
We took our meager savings and I purchased an old, beat-up 1980 Dodge Omni because it was cheap. 1980 was the first year they ever put a "brain box" in that car. I couldn't know, but his would prove to be an issue later.
I packed my tools and some clothes in the little Omni, kissed my wife and my kids, and headed to Florida.
Well, I got as far as Sonora, Texas. The brain box in that little Dodge died quietly, and permanently, about 8 miles out of Sonora on I-10. It was 3:00 am, I was blasting along at 80 miles an hour, making good time, and at the top of a small hill the car died. Completely. Every light went out, the engine quit, and I was coasting down the hill in complete silence and darkness.
Very weird.
At the bottom of the hill I pulled way off the side of the road onto the shoulder, and slept until morning. I caught a ride into the nearest town, Sonora, and spent nearly a week and all of my travel money there trying to fix that little car. Finally, I gave up, signed over the title of the Omni to the mechanic, took $280 out of my last $285 and bought a one-way Greyhound Bus ticket to Clearwater. I packed my tools into the cargo area of the bus (not a lot of fun, because they are really, extremely heavy), and climbed aboard for the 36 hour trip.
Needless to say, I stayed awake the entire time. Couldn't sleep a wink. There's something about a bus ride, and the weirdos and wackos who seem to ride them, that just gives me insomnia.
During the trip, at one of the stops, I called my Dad and asked to borrow some money until my first paycheck. Instead of loaning me any money, he called a local Pastor in Miami, Florida, and asked him to help me out.
Pastor Mark was a Nazarene Pastor. At the time, my Dad and Mom were members of the Nazarene Church in Arizona. After calling Pastor Mark, my destination changed and I was to get off the bus in Miami, instead of riding it all the way to Clearwater, so that I could stay at Pastor Mark's house in his guest bedroom for a night. Then, he was supposed to give me a ride out to Clearwater with my tools where I could report in for work on Monday morning.
The best-laid plans of mice and men, and all that.
I got off the bus in Miami, and I had directions to Pastor Mark's house. I found a kindly Super-Shuttle driver who allowed me to load my tools and seabag in the back of his van, and only charged me five bucks for a ride to Pastor Mark's house, as long as I didn't mind waiting until he dropped off all his other fares first. I didn't mind, because it was literally my last five bucks.
The Super Shuttle dropped me off at Pastor Mark's house, which also happened to be adjacent to his church building, and I waited for him to finish whatever he was doing before he deigned to meet with me.
I introduced myself, and thanked him for offering to put me up for the night. He looked a little strange at me, then handed me $140 that he said was collected from the Nazarene church members during the week to help me out.
I was properly thankful. I thought that was pretty cool of him to go through asking for money from his congregation to help out the un-churched, but in-need son of a fellow Nazarene. He seemed like a nice guy. I asked him where I could sleep, because I was dead-tired and about to pass out. Remember, I had not slept at all for more than 40 hours at this point. My clothing was travel-stained, my hair was long, and I had two-days-worth of scraggly beard. In short, I looked like a bum.
Pastor Mark looked real uncomfortable, and said that I wouldn't actually be staying at his house. Instead, he was going to drop me off at one of the church shelters for the night.
Shelter? As in Homeless shelter? I was terrified. I had never even been inside of a homeless shelter in my life, let alone needed to be in one. I had worked a full-time job since I was 16, been out on my own since I was 17, and had never, ever accepted charity from anyone until Pastor Mark "offered" to help. The only reason I took it because I had to get to Clearwater by Monday morning and start work or I really would be stranded, broke, and homeless in Florida, with no money to send back home to support my family. I fully intended to pay back his congregation for the loan out of my first paycheck.
Pastor Mark drove me to the Miami Rescue Mission Men's Center and dropped me outside - then very nearly peeled out, leaving me there. Weary beyond all belief, I rolled my tools and my seabag full of clothing and personal items inside. Seeing no one to "sign up" or "check in" with, I noticed a large room with indoor-outdoor carpeting and little "camps" (for lack of a better word) set up in various locations in the room. The room was devoid of any furniture, just men lying on sleeping bags or blankets, their belonging spread around them in an effort to lay claim to as much floor space as possible. I rolled my tools and seabag into the room, picked an empty spot of floor, and began to unroll my sleeping bag that I had retrieved from my seabag. All I wanted to do was to sleep. I laid down and was immediately dozing off with one hand wrapped around the handle of my toolbox and my $140 stuck into my underwear.
Suddenly, a demon appeared at the doorway to the "camp room" in a cloud of brimstone and started shouting at us to get up and come to prayer service. She was black, about 360 pounds, and made up like a televangelist's wife.
She was a scary, forceful lady, but I was tired. So I continued to lay there.
The men all shuffled despondently out the door and I heard and felt the thunder of her ponderous bulk stalking across the room to where I lay on my sleeping bag.
"Get up. We're going to pray." she said in a menacing, deep fat-lady voice.
I cracked one eye open. "Ma'am," I said politely, "I have been on the road and awake for more than forty hours. I appreciate the floor space, but I am not a Christian, and I will not pray with you."
She kicked me.
Yup. Hauled off and swung one of her tree-trunk legs and kicked me right in the foot.
"Get up."
I sat up, mad, and said again, "Ma'am. I am not a Christian. I am not a member of your religion. Do you only accept Christians here? I need to sleep, and I am NOT leaving my toolbox here unattended."
Needless to say, 10 minutes later, and with the assistance of two large, male orderlies, I was sitting in prayer service with the rest of the homeless guys.
It was a mandatory requirement, blackmail if you will, in return for a bit of floor under a roof, and a meal of bologna sandwiches and orange juice.
I call it religious extortion. They prey on the homeless, the hungry, the down-and-out, and force them to kowtow to an invisible magic man in the sky before they will help them.
Disgusting and immoral. And frankly, insane.
I woke up at my normal time the next morning, 5:00 am, packed up my things, and went outside the shelter and flagged down a taxi. I spent that $140 and had him drive me to Clearwater where I checked in and began work. The contracting company had a deal set up with a local motel to house their workers, so I was able to get my own place without any cash. A small loan from my brother got me enough Ramen noodles to survive until my first paycheck came through.
It all worked out, but I have been seriously skeptical and critical of church-sponsored homeless shelters or charities ever since.
The kicker is that, unknown to me, Pastor Mark called my Dad up that night and ran him though the ringer for sending a dirty, scruffy non-christian to him. Did my Dad think that Pastor Mark would even consider allowing an obviously dangerous miscreant like me to sleep in his house? With his family?
Then he demanded his money back. Yup. From my Dad. Turns out he never did collect any money from his congregation. It was his own money, and he gave it to me to get me the hell out of his house and his car - and his life.
So much for Christian charity.
My Dad wired the money to him, and after I calmed down when he told me about it two weeks later after my first paycheck, I wired it back to him.
Dad and Mom weren't members of the Nazarenes for too much longer after that.
I came about *that close* to going back out to Miami and confronting the two-faced, lying son of a bitch. But, work was busy, and I needed to support my family.
But sometimes I wish I had.

















To Brent and Steve Real Atheist ,meet Crystal a Real Christia
After reading your vivid account of being attacked by a black woman, while in a shelter, you described as a "demonized televangelist" who tried to beat the "devil" out of you, you made a believer out of me that you are truly suffering from antireligiousphobia. And I hope it was not true about the "black women" in *****'* ****! But if you told the truth, I'll apologize to you for her. Man all you negative experience is not representing who we are as a whole. But would you mind answering a question or two for me. Why did you go to a christian run shelter to begin with?
If you are telling the truth could it be that you are stretching things a bit? Are you an internet comic or what? What is your purpose? Have you since opened a place called,"Anything goes just as long as you don't believe in God." If you do keep us all posted on how it turns out. O.K? I was homeless and before too. I was treated bad by atheist, some church goers and other categories as well, but every now and then I met some good strangers, some christians some not. Don't forget that place was there for you, minus your bad experience, it served a purpose until you got to the next day. In our faith we are taught to count everything a joy when you are experiencing thing in life, because we know our God is able to rescue us. If you are doing fine,now, man, it is because God loves you and helped you to find it where you are now. You see man God loves us inspite of our faults, He just would like to help us out, by seeing that we don't go through the doors that will disappoint us or cut lives short. Listen people fought and died for all of us regardless of who or whats. Jesus did it too for much a greater purpose that no one could ever accomplished by sacrifing their lives. The freedom of choice of yours and everybody elses. If "this is your final answer", then we true christian do not hate you man, we agape you. But I pray that Jesus will reveal Himself to you so you will know the truth for yourself as I know for myself. And that is He is alive and has been before time began and will be forever more. What is I am rights and you are wrong. Then will have an eternity to regret it,if you should die before realizing the truth. But if I am wrong and you are right, what will you have to look forward to for your athiesim after you die. I am a believer, and I do not force my beliefs on anyone. But I do share my faith with others who permit me to. And I invite you to share yours with me, just as long as you are not a hater. We love people whether they believe what we believe or not. You own it to youself to seek the true facts of Christianity before you judge us. "The prince of darkness who has dominion regarding negativity and deception" doesn't want you to know the truth. I was a non-believer once myself, and probably thought some of the things you think now, but when I investigaged and by faith received Jesus in my heart God gave me the evidence I asked Him for to find out if He was real. And to my utmost surprise and expectations Jesus revealed Himself to me, by faith. Like relationships with friends, dating, marriage, etc. we must build our relationships. And that doesn't happen unless we take the time and interest to get to know others. So we must take the time to get to know God. Remember "seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened".
Try a non-donominational church and ask the for a Bible and start reading the Book of St. John.
Why is it?
First of all...and perhaps most seriously, learn to use paragraphs. Your comment is damned near impossible to read.
Secondly, why would you presume Brent hasn't read the Bible? It's one of the paths that many atheists have taken to reach their point of view. The Bible is not inspiring or good. It's full of raving lunacy and contradictions.
3rd......ah hell, why am I bothering?
Shh... You'll frighten her away!
Damn, Rick, she's the first Christian commenter we've had on UTI for months and months! We need to proceed veeerrry carefully...
Heh. ;)
GAH!
OH! Sorry. Crystal, please pretend that I never wrote a response to your comment. Thanks!
(Think that will work?)
Holy shit!
And I mean that literally! What a piece of work that "pastard" (as Dear Abby would say) was, not to mention "Church Lady".
There was this one time in the early 80's when I was travelling round that States during a college vacation, and when I got to San Francisco, I kept having swarms of Moonies coming up to me and trying to entice me to come along to their cult house. I had been warned about them, and they were pretty obvious in their attempts to initiate conversation on the flimsiest pretext (e.g. four of them would come up to me and say, "Hey, is that sweater European?"). But then when I was taking the Bart over to Berkeley, my seatmate happened to be a fellow Irishman who seemed sane enough, and I accepted his offer to come home and have dinner with him and his roommates. Needless to say, "home" was yet another Moonie cult house, and from the moment I got there, I was surrounded by devotees and watched like a hawk (while the Irish guy disappeared).
There were a couple of other "captives" there too, and all told there were several dozen people there, milling around in excitement because the cult leader had come down from HQ in Mendocino County. Dinner was served, then the leader gave a speech and sang a song (a horrible version of John Lennon's "Imagine", rewritten from a theist point of view - sacrilege!) Then he gave a spiel about what a utopia they had going on their farm up there in Mendocino County, and it just so happened he was driving back there that night - wouldn't you like to come along and hang out there for a few days, with no obligation?
Then my watchers turned on me and piled the pressure on me to go along. I was scared shitless, knowing what would happen if I caved. I managed to stammer out some story about staying with a policeman who was a friend of my father's, and I had to get back because my parents were going to phone me. Somehow I talked my way out of there, and found myself wandering through the back streets of Berkeley with no idea where I was. Eventually I found the Bart station and caught the last Bart back to SF, shaken and stirred. All in all, a narrow escape and an experience that I would never want to repeat!
- No More Mr. Nice Guy!
Oh no!! That is a horrible
Oh no!! That is a horrible story! What an experience! You showed some serious restraint in not going back to kick that guys ass. He certainly deserved it.
Ass Kicking
Heheh... Actually, at that time in my life, I probably would have tried and gone to jail for assault, so I'm glad that I didn't.
I never did speak to the guy again, but later his actions would serve me as supporting evidence in "discussions" with my parents and other family members about my lack of belief in their god.
I'm confused.
Clearwater is on the west side of Florida. You went out of your way to go to Miami first? Seems like it would make more sense to go straight to Clearwater.
Glad your parents changed their minds about the Nazarenes. I was lucky - mine weren't EVER religious.
Miami detour
It was detour to visit Pastor Mark, whom everyone assumed would take me into his own family like a long-lost son. Obviously it didn't work out that way, but take a look at it from an Arizonan's perspective: I had already travelled more than 2000 miles. What's the big deal about a lousy 280 miles at the end? :)
I will admit that the cab ride from Miami to Clearwater was very long and expensive. However, I was fortunate again in being able to share the cab with a fellow traveller and being able to split the fare.
Pastor Mark
A copy of this post in the mail to Pastor Mark might feel nice, though. You should find out where he is these days and show him the error of his ways.
Wow Brent, that is a truly
Wow Brent, that is a truly horrible experience.
If you look at their most recent 990 Tax Filing (Return of Organization Exempt from Income Tax), you'll see that they received just under 4 million in government grants to do the Lord's work (which, from what I can tell from their web site, seems to be their primary function).
I vaguely remember learning something about the "separation of church and state" in my high school civics class. Does anybody know if that still applies today?
Wow. What a cluster.
The only time I was ever in a shelter was in 1972 when a friend and I were bicycling through Vancouver, B.C. on the way to central Washington. The shelter was clean and had nice cots - guests were asked to tie their bags shut under their cots. There was a simple and delicious meal served twice a day (OK, I was burning five thousand calories a day and anything would have tasted good.) The director, an obvious stoner, insisted we lock our bikes where the front desk person could keep an eye on them. The only requirement was that we "be cool and respect all the other guests and volunteers". In the morning we went on our way, refreshed and happy. No mention of god.