Letter to Arby's 2

Hank Fox's picture

Sometimes the answer to a question is like the far rim of a narrow canyon. It’s close enough to see, but it still takes two days to GET there.

The answer to all this – MY answer – is one such.

But ... enough of you have asked me to explain that it seems worth it to make the attempt. This will take a while. Follow along if you like.

By the time I get to the end of this, I expect some few of you will understand where I’m coming from. And maybe some of you will hate me absolutely, because I will have insulted you to the core.

...

Tommy (not his real name) was my best friend from the third grade on. We climbed trees together, sneaked out of our houses and rode bikes down to the park at midnight, went camping, wrote adventure stories in which the two of us were the heroes, went to the library and spent all day there reading and exploring. Once we blew ourselves up with a chemistry experiment and Tommy had to go to the emergency room, and then wear patches on his eyes for two weeks. I was Best Man at his weddings – two of them.

Vietnam came along, and the Beatles, and Nixon, and a whole counter-culture movement. And somewhere along the way, Tommy ended up on one side of a line, and I ended up on the other. Tommy went shallow and corporate, and I — well, I was never a hippie, but I could see the point. I went out and tried to become somebody I myself could respect and admire.

One day we were kicking around together, and Tommy wanted to go to a gallery downtown, where there was an exhibition of art from the collection of Armand Hammer, the biggest of bigwigs at the huge corporation where Tommy worked.

He bought an art print – a dull painting of lily pads on a pond – and had it expensively framed. It was so far outside the bounds of anything I knew he liked or was interested in, I was completely mystified. “Why did you buy this?” “I’m going to put it in my cubicle at work. The regional supervisor is touring through our offices next week, and he knows Armand Hammer personally.”

Huh?

I’d seen the signs in him for years. He’d bought an ultra-cool car. It sucked on gas mileage and fell apart continuously like a cheap toy, but people turned to look when he drove past, and boy, he just glowed every time that happened. He bought a house in “Benchmark” – he couldn’t afford it, but he had the “right” address, and he loved to tell people where he lived. He started smoking a pipe (because he’d read that Hugh Hefner smoked a pipe, and he thought it made him look sophisticated and worldly) and developed all sorts of little affectations centered around that pipe.

Over the years, Tommy, my best friend, slowly vanished under the surface of this ... non-person.

We live our lives on two stages. It’s really one stage, but it has two sides to it. It’s like you stand facing one way and there’s this one audience, but if you turn 180 degrees and face completely opposite, there’s this other audience.

On one side of the stage, the audience is everybody you know, everybody you come in contact with, every OTHER person.

And on the other side of the stage, sitting out there all alone, is You. One of the audiences for your daily actions is you yourself.

For that audience of others, you do, oh, so many things. You buy the “cool” car. You wear your gang’s colors. You put on makeup. You use the same glistening grease in your hair that all your friends use. You shine your shoes and wear an uncomfortable suit, to be “respectable.” You take the “right” drugs. You go to the “good” college. You walk and talk and vote like everybody else, to keep them happy with you.

Or you do all the exact opposite things, so you can shock and horrify them and go home chuckling every night, savoring the cow-like expressions of alarm on their faces, or the shrill tones of their voices as they shriek “Oh my GOD!! Would you just LOOK at that?!?”

For the audience of You, you learn to shoe horses ... just because it’s always fascinated you. You go hiking in the woods by yourself ... because you love learning something new about nature. You buy the silly, dull nerdy car that gets great gas mileage and lasts practically forever. You eat your peas with a big spoon, because it seems more efficient ... to you. You sit down with a bunch of friends drinking martinis, and you order a Tom Collins ... because you think martinis taste like hair tonic. You’ve got your settled, establishment friends, and you’ve got your rebel friends, and you decide to join neither group because – to you – both seem like costumes put on for no better reason than to impress other people.

Listen, now, because this is important: IT IS A MISTAKE TO LIVE TOO MUCH OF YOUR LIFE ON THE STAGE FOR OTHERS.

For every bit of yourself you give to that audience of others, you will have less to give to You.

Does that make sense? There’s only so much “you” to go around. If you caper and prance onstage every available minute for other people, you kinda cheat yourself of finding and developing the unique You that you are. And it seems to me that if you do all the things you do only to impress others, or just to fit in with them, there’s no need for the You to even exist. And life obliges you by letting your You atrophy away.

One other aspect of this, equally important:

There are two ways to feel good about yourself. One is to do a thing that stimulates you directly with a feeling of accomplishment. You learn to fly a plane. You climb a mountain. You lift weights and become strong. You increase your eye-hand coordination by learning to juggle. The action itself grows you, touches something inside you, and you come away liking yourself more, respecting yourself more, knowing yourself to be more solid and capable.

The other is to do something that impresses other people. Then they say "Wow, I’m really impressed!" and you get a second-hand good feeling from their awe and admiration.

Get it? First way, playing on the Stage of You: you feel good as a DIRECT result of your own actions.

Second way, on the Stage of Others: you get the good feeling only as the INDIRECT result of another person’s reaction to your action.

IF ... If they like what you do. If they notice. If they take the trouble to tell you. If if if. Your good feeling is at the mercy of those others, who might be too tired, too busy, too drunk, too distracted, too unimpressed, or just too selfish to give you an admiring stroke.

And then, to get more strokes, you have to impress them again. Your life becomes an infinite treadmill, with you slaving away ever harder for a taste of their feedback.

We all live on this treadmill to some extent. A paycheck is one of the kinds of positive feedback, and we all need one. And we’re social beings, so we have to be on that Stage of Others some large part of our lives.

But, again, it’s a mistake to give over too much of your SELF into the hands of others.

Okay.

It’s about 1972, and I’m hitchhiking solo around the southern and western U.S. for a month. I have a couple of hundred dollars in traveler’s checks, a bright yellow backpack, and a desire to SEE things.

And I do. Before the month is up, I’ll travel 5,300 miles, and I’ll see bits of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona and New Mexico. I will get countless rides of lengths varying from 2 miles to 300, 6 propositions from gay men, 3 people who offer me drugs, an African-American trucker named Tracey who tells me – in loving detail – everything I need to know about “gettin’ black pussy,” a Mormon couple in Utah who mistake me for a clean-cut Mormon boy hitching home for the summer from Brigham Young university (and who give me a ride anyway when I tell them I’m not), a drunk driver who tells me he is AWOL from the Army (and who picks up FIVE other hitchhikers, after which he almost kills the lot of us with his driving, and after which I ask to be let out at the NEXT offramp), and a sunburned nose. I have slept in 18-wheelers, cars, pickup beds, campgrounds, motels, people’s houses, back yards and on roadsides. And I meet one fat little spider named "Norman" who I realize – years later – might very well have killed me if his housemate "Eddie" had been home at the moment he lured naïve little me into his home web.

But for the moment of this story, I’m stuck in a city. Cities suck for distance hitchhiking, because almost every driver who passes you is going somewhere close. My solution is to find the nearest Greyhound station and buy a ticket to a small town near the interstate. A significant number of drivers who pass you on such out-of-the-way sections of the interstate will be traveling distance. You stick out your thumb, you smile and look small and safe and non-deadly, and within an hour, two at the most, you’re cruisin’ off into unknown new places – with ever-new traveling companions.

So here I am in the Greyhound station, sitting reading a book from my pack, when a guy walks up to me, holds out his bare arm, and says “How much will you give me if I put out this cigarette on my arm?”

The arm in question, thrust forward for my inspection, has those long, strong muscles tall people sometimes have, is covered with clear, healthy brown skin, but is marked with about eight ugly, puckered circular scars. One of them is new enough it’s still wet-looking, an obviously recent burn. I can see more of them on his other arm. And every one of them is something he did to himself ... for a couple of bucks from the last dozen or so people who were empty enough that they were willing to PAY him to hurt himself while they watched.

I am f*cking horrified. Shocked sick. This is beyond ugly. It is filthy, wanton, nihilistic self-destruction. Compared to this, back alley whores are Sunday-school wholesome. I mumble something and look desperately back down at my book, and the guy finally just leaves.

Okay.

Now here’s this young man in Arby’s with this big foreign object impaled in his face.

I already know it’s not for him. It is almost wholly and exclusively for the Stage of Others. He’s going for shock, or maybe admiration.

And to add a level of pathetic emptiness, he’s doing it, in some large part, for complete strangers.

Put me in a room with Pat Robertson or Bill O’Reilly, and a definite line will snap into existence between us. These people are Destroyers, and I’m a Builder. They’re haters, and I’m just not. They are, in my opinion, nasty, aggressive christer conservatives who want everyone else under their thumb, and who are willing to tell any lie to get there. Give them their own country and they’d have public executions in less than six months ... and it would be for stuff like masturbation, or listening to rap music.

Everybody who has responded to this matter, I’m pretty sure that if we were all together in the room with O’Reilly or Robertson, we would ALL be on the same side of that line. However ...

Here we are in this room, absent those two flaming neo-con idiots. The line is there, but somehow I’m on one side of it, and a number of you are decidedly on the other side.

Without any internal changes at all, suddenly I’m bad, I’m evil, I’m stupid, I’m wrong, I’m mean, I’m a destroyer.

I am suddenly not one of US. I’m one of THEM.

Given that, I’d like to make a few points.

One: nothing in what I’ve said was about the infective dirtyness of piercings. Y’all brought that up. Two or three made the point that piercings are easily infected, and so piercees are careful to keep them clean.

Okay ... this actually touches on both points of my REAL disturbance with this young man. Why would you do that to yourself? I already believe it’s problematic to give your life over to getting a rise out of other people, but why would you actually injure yourself, place your health at risk, in return for mere attention from ... strangers? Yuck. The person who would do that just seems so empty to me.

Two: I don’t think I mentioned tattoos.

Three: Prejudice and religion.

I spoke of prejudice in the sense of handicaps, skin color, birth culture, but I purposely stayed away from the issue of religion ... because religion is NOT in the same category as the others. I’ll go into it some other time if someone wants me too, but it’s a whole other issue than handicaps and skin color, and it may take a fairly long time to explain why.

Four: Judging others.

You get to judge me. Several of you have done so, and I’m fine with that. But I get to judge people too.

Remember the guy who put cigarettes out on his arm? Though I reacted – unconsciously judged him – instantly after seeing his arms, my revulsion was NOT because he had ugly scars, or was dirty, or some other race. I reacted because the scars were the visible showpiece of an ACTION.

I reacted to him on the basis of the visible evidence of WHAT HE HAD DONE to himself, and the pathetic, sick reason he gave for it.

Imagine a guy who cut off his own nose, or both his legs, deliberately. I think those of you who see me as a disagreeable tight-ass in regards to Face Piercing Boy might react as strongly and in the same way I would, at one or both of those people.

Sure they have the “right” to do it. But those of us looking on have an equal right to form our own opinions about them and to decide, based on their ACTIONS, whether we’ll include them in our circle of trustworthy others.

Speaking strictly for myself, both of those people would disgust the hell out of me. I would have nothing to do with either of them, and I couldn’t feel the least bit bad about it.

The poor guy who cut off his own legs, he’d be handicapped, and might need my understanding and acceptance and even help at some point on that basis. But ... I’d still reserve the right to judge him for what he had done. At the very least, I’d always believe – and I think most of you would agree – that he was not in the same ethical category as a guy who lost his legs saving a kid from a train, or even someone who’d lost both legs to diabetes. If I could help it, I’d have nothing to do with the self-mutilator, ever. I’d probably even have second thoughts about letting him park in handicapped spots.

Judging people for the THINGS THEY DO is not pre-judging based on appearance. It is JUDGING, and it is not only perfectly fine, it is absolutely necessary.

I am waaaay opposed to the death penalty, for instance, for a number of philosophical reasons that it would take me an equally long essay to explain. But I agree wholeheartedly that something drastic has to be done about people who kill other people. First, they have to be judged ... not for their skin color, or national origin, or rich, influential families. But for what they have actually done.

The hardware in this young man’s face was SOMETHING HE HAD DONE. Something he had done to impress or shock others. Something he had done to his own face, something ugly and easily infected, for reasons no better than those of the guy who burned himself for money.

Finally, here, feeling decidedly uncomfortable about finding myself on the other side of that line, over in the company with Rush and Pat and Bill, I’ll mount a mild defense about who and what I am.

Brace yourself, I’m about to trot out my Liberal Club qualifications. Even I know this is as comically pathetic in its way as the guy who, accused of being a racist, protests “Why, some of my BEST FRIENDS are Negroes!”

But ... at least the following stuff is actually true, and hopefully that will count for something.

I loved my dog so much I still sometimes cry about his dying, four months later.

I get pissed off every time I read one of the stupid stories in the news about the recent spate of “bear attacks” – because I know very well they’re NOT attacks, they’re just bears trying to live in a world that’s squeezing the life out of them.

I think Pat Robertson is a truly evil man who, in a more enlightened world, would be put instantly away in a mental institution for the things he says and does. And if there was real justice, he’d be stuck in a padded room with Ann Coulter, and a boxful of dominatrix outfits, in both sizes.

I have baby skunks in my back yard that I think are cute as hell, and we coexist peacefully, even though they dig up my plants and put big holes in my lawn. (You can see pics of them at my www.HankFox.com site.)

I think George Bush is a catastrophe for western civilization, and the world is a MUCH more dangerous place since he got real power into his stupid little hands.

I have donated more than a gallon of my own blood, and I once had a homeless guy living in my house for more than a month while he got back on his feet.

I have held more than 50 different jobs, in a dozen different professions. I have hopped a ride on a freight train. Sat naked in natural hot springs – in public, and hundreds of times. Vagabonded around the country on my own, for decades. Camped in the wilderness. Eat my peas with a spoon. Wear loose, comfortable clothing, and god help the corporate weasel who drops by my cubicle at work to decide if I’m a good Company Man.

I’m not angling for any humanitarian awards or rebel badges, here. I’m only making the point that – except for this momentary matter at hand – compared to people like Jerry Falwell and Dick Cheney, I’m probably on the same side of the imaginary line as a lot of you ... and might even be further from that line, in some ways, than many of you.

But ...

For my own reasons, I don’t agree about big ugly face piercings.

I probably never will.

Deal with it.

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RickU's picture

Too hard on Hank

I think several of you are being too hard on Hank. Hank is entitled to his opinion. If he doesn't like being served food by folks with facial hardware, so what? He expressed his displeasure, made sure that the owners of a chain were aware of his decision and moved on.

The only important thing here is what Hank didn't do. He didn't make any allusion to legislating body piercing into illegality. He really didn't step on any toes. He made a decision, and so did the "body art" folks.

End of game...

jason's picture

No, I don't think so

It's one thing to not like something and to say so publicly. It's quite another to intentionally try to inflict harm on someone because you don't like something. That's where we are.

As I said previously, I doubt the response would have been half as bad had he just left there without getting lunch and explained here why he felt the way he did. But that's not what happened.

He wrote a letter and tried to inflict harm on the kid's employment simply because he didn't like his facial piercings. There's a big difference; in fact, it's such a vast difference that neither approach can be called related.

Having a prejudice is one thing. We all have them whether we admit it or not. Trying to inflict harm because of that prejudice is something else entirely.

Still, this doesn't make Hank a bad person. Everyone makes mistakes. I just hope he can see the error and understand why he took it one significant step too far.

RickU's picture

I can see

I can see where you're coming from, but as a (mostly) free market libertarian, I disagree. Hank did the proper thing as a consumer, letting the company know that the service that they were providing was unacceptable in his view and that as a consumer he would not be purchasing their product because of it.

Kian's picture

I disagree...

The store knows who they hired. And they know why they hired that person. The kid did nothing wrong - and was already hired *with* the piercing in... and there is a possibility he'd get fired because of the complaint. I guess on one hand here I agree with you, in that people should be letting companies know if something displeases them ... but if anything were to happen to that kid because of it, that would really bother me.

Kian's picture

Well said...

That was one thing that really got to me - was this lady came into the store (i have a summer job scooping ice cream, it's pretty bad, but its just for the summer, I swear.) wouldn't let me scoop ice cream for her and her kids, and then came back the next day to inform my boss that she was displeased and disgusted that they would hire someone who indulged in such activities as my piercing. I would have been fine had she of left the whole ordeal at not letting me scoop for her - but however I get told to take the piercing out or I'm fired instead.

Matt's picture

Hmmm...

Well, he DID ask our opinion, and on a blog with an extremely liberal readership. As such, what answer could he expect? "Yeah, Hank! You should definitely write Arby's and get this guy in trouble for his freedom of expression! Wooo!"
Sorry, I don't think so. The arguments didn't even make sense: He was pierced all over his face, therefore I have the impression that he is unclean.
Hank has the right to express his opinion on this subject on a public blog, and we have the right to answer. There is a comment section under each blog entry, ya know?

- Matt

Stentor's picture

Looking clean-cut and

Looking clean-cut and wholesome is just as much an act put on for others. Your problem isn't with people who put on a show for others, it's with people who put on a show that you don't like. Wouldn't it be much easier to just ignore the shows that people put on, rather than enthusiastically taking up the role they want you to play in it?

And spare us the list of your liberal bona fides. If you have an illiberal opinion, you have an illiberal opinion, and no amount of liberal opinions will earn you a pass. (And by the same token, no amount of illiberal opinions will erase one liberal one.)

jason's picture

I don't think this changes much

While I appreciate the explanation, Hank, I don't think this changed anything. Again, you've made many assumptions about other people without any basis for those assumptions. You assume piercings and tattoos are always for the other person. They're not. Most of my tattoos and piercings are in places where the general public does not see them unless I'm in an advanced state of undress (thankfully, that rarely happens in public, something for which I'm sure the public is thankful). Every tattoo I have means something to me, represents something to me personally that no one else could understand; they're for me and no one else. It's the same with my piercings: they're for me, not everyone else, and most of them remain hidden to the majority of the outside world.

Another assumption, as has been said already, is wrong: comparing piercings and tattoos to self-mutilation (e.g. burning, cutting, dismemberment, etc.) is horrifyingly out of touch. Tattooing is an ancient art form that predates modern civilization. The same is true of piercing. Neither of these forms of self-expression is in any way comparable to the other activities to which you try to draw a parallel. Making such comparisons is disingenuous.

None of this makes you a bad person, and I don't believe anyone said as much. It just surprised us that self-expression disgusts you. More importantly, it was terribly shocking to see that you'd respond to your prejudice by lashing out at the person through specifically targeting his employment. That is deplorable to say the least. Had you simply walked away and left it at that, I doubt anyone would care as much, but you didn't just let your prejudice control your own actions; you took steps to try and make it control someone else's (namely, your letter to Arby's was an attempt to get the kid fired whether you realize that or not). That is when prejudice becomes bad: when it's forcefully inflicted on others.

Ultimately, what you've demonstrated is that people can do their own thing so long as it's something you agree with and might do yourself. If not, it's suddenly bad and deserves immediate repercussions. It seems you don't mind self-expression so long as it's acceptable to you. What a boring world you must dream of, one where everyone is the same, where you're free to express yourself only within the established guidelines, where being an individual means being just like everyone else lest you find yourself an outcast who can't keep a job for all the people lashing out at who you are. Doesn't all of that sound precisely like the forced conformity we hate most about the religious right?

Matt's picture

See Hank...

...Now they support you! Welcome back to the fold. To be honest, however, I'm not sure why you posted on this subject. Did you feel guilty about what you did and sought absolution from people you thought were like-minded?
Well, if one post set them off, this one clearly supported you. I guess I just know too many freaks to be put off by it. I suppose that is a life experience thing overriding what I otherwise might feel.
And, I might add, I have 0 tatt's and 0 piercings and would never do that to myself... I hate needles :( Actually, I refuse to get a Tatt for the simple reason that I can't think of a single thing that would be timeless enough... what image or word would you put on your body at 20 or 30 and still want when you're 90 years old?
Oh well, overall, and for those who agree with you 100%, I just say: Your right, but your loss.

- Matt

Chris Spencer's picture

Assumptions

The hardware in this young man’s face was SOMETHING HE HAD DONE. Something he had done to impress or shock others. Something he had done to his own face, something ugly and easily infected, for reasons no better than those of the guy who burned himself for money. (emphasis mine)

You make this point several times, but in your moment of unabashed disgust, did you even ask him why? Unless you've developed mind-reading abilities, you really have no idea why he got piercings. Maybe he thinks he looks better that way. And no, it's not the same as a guy burning himself for money, or cutting off his legs, or any of your other strawman arguments.

That said, I do tend to agree with you insofar that people shouldn't feel compelled to get piercings to "impress or shock others". However, at the same time, I don't think piercings are that big a deal. For example, my local veterinarian has a few piercings, and even pink hair. She also happens to be a pretty good veterinarian. If I had written her off on some superficial stereotypes I would have had to drive a lot farther to get the next nearest vet, when there was a perfectly good one just around the block.

Overall, I still don't understand your rationale. You condemn your childhood friend for "selling out to the man", but also condemn this guy at Arby's for essentially doing the exact opposite. Perhaps their only crime was deviating from your personal preference for how someone should live their life.

decrepitoldfool's picture

I'm with you, Hank.

It's as simple as this: if I see something that I find repulsive, I don't want to eat there. My reasons are not important. The owner of the restaurant isn't in business to cater to his employees, he opens the door so I'll come there and spend money. If he fails, I'll go next door. Deal with it.

This seems like a great place to share a quote from one of my favorite television shows:

"I can't remember the last time I saw a 20-something kid with a tattoo of an Asian letter on his wrist. You are one wicked freethinker. You want to be a rebel? Stop being cool. Wear a pocket protector like he does, and get a haircut. Like the Asian kids who don't leave the library for 20-hour stretches. They're the ones who don't care what you think."
- Dr. Gregory House, fictional TV doc, declining to hire a very hip young intern

Alon Levy's picture

Your reasons are not important to who?

You're right that a restaurant owner who only cares about the bottom line should not hire people with piercings, if enough customers have problems with them. You're also right that you have the right not to want to go to a restaurant where the waiters have piercings.

But we're not discussing either of these. The racial analogy would be Hank talking about how much he hates black waiters. He'd have the right to hate black waiters and a business concerned purely with the bottom line would have to avoid employing blacks in that case, unless it expected a lawsuit. But he'd still be a racist and it'd be perfectly legitimate to call him on it. The argument he uses in this post can't be analogized to racism, but your argument can.

decrepitoldfool's picture

We are not discussing race.

That a racial analogy could be made does not invalidate my argument. Racial discrimination is illegal. The restaurant owner does not have the option to discriminate on the basis of race, or of customers' responses to the racial/ethnic makeup of his staff. Hence I consciously exclude consideration of race from such discussions because it is also legally excluded.

Actions of appearance, unlike race, are voluntary and are not protected in discrimination laws. Are you making the argument that business owners cannot have appearance standards for their employees? Appearance is a strong predictor of attitude.

Alon Levy's picture

So what?

The current status of the law is irrelevant in any normative discussion. It's irrelevant if antidiscrimination laws only refer to gender and race when we discuss sexual orientation, for example.

About predicting attitude, you're committing an extremely common fallacy, which unfortunately has no Latin name. The basic gist of this fallacy is that you say that a certain characteristic (in this case, piercings) is correlated with one that is relevant to the question (attitude), and hence prejudice based on the first characteristic is acceptable.

I'll leave you with two observations about this fallacy. The first is that not coincidentally, the correlated characteristics are always associated with oppressed groups. People say that women shouldn't be allowed to be police officers because on average they're weaker than men; they don't say men shouldn't be allowed to be spies because on average it's harder to teach them to speak the relevant languages in the correct accents. Many people are prejudiced against fat people based of the health risks associated with a high BMI; none are prejudiced against thin people based on the health risks associated with a low BMI.

The second observation is that successful enterprises look beyond these characteristics, and make an effort to discriminate purely based on the relevant characteristics. Good basketball teams don't bar people shorter than 6' 3", though they may bar them if their height makes them bad players.

Cornelius J. McHugh's picture

Letter to Arby's 2

Way to go Hank. I am one hundred percent in agreement with you. I have absolutely no time for these freakazoids who indulge in sicko acts of self mutilation for, oh I dunno why they do it and could not give a flying fuck. They totally repulse me and that is enough. If this makes me bigoted, prejudiced or whatever so be it,I apologize to no one for my feelings.
Best regards.
Cornelius.

Alon Levy's picture

The stage of others

It's true that people who have piercings do it for the stage of others. The problem is, so do people who don't. Wearing the clothes that you wear is almost always a question of social norms. Some people just wear the cheapest clothes they can find; these tend to be dirt poor people who just can't afford anything more. Shaving and cutting one's hair are exactly the same: men usually shave and cut their hair simply because if they don't, they'll be looked down upon.

For example, let's consider your display picture. You wear a cowboy hat and a cowboy-style collar shirt. Why? The hat might be necessary to protect your eyes from sunlight, but a baseball cap with the New York Yankees' logo on it could do just as well. And there's certainly no reason but social status - in other words, the stage of others - to wear that shirt and not, say, a T-shirt or traditional Arab dress.

MandyU's picture

What's in your closet?

I don't think that the comment "It's true that people who have piercings do it for the stage of others," is necessarily true. I think maybe around 80% of the population performs on the stage of others far too much. The other 20%, I think, are doing things for themselves. Dancing even though no one is watching (to use a cliché).

Maybe Hank is wearing a cowboy hat and a cowboy-style shirt because he wants to. I know that I dress how I want to. Some days I wear a suit to work, some days I wear a Fraggle Rock T-shirt and a patchwork skirt, some days I grab whatever is clean and on top of the pile because I slept too late and still want to get to work on time. I certainly don't think that I'm dressing for anyone else (except for maybe my husband every once-in-a-while).

Motivation doesn't really matter in this instance anyway. The placement of the dividing line depends on the point of view of the narrator. It has nothing to do with why someone has done something, unless motivation really matters to The Line Drawer. Maybe in my eyes it would be "US - piercing people" and "THEM - Hank", or maybe it wouldn't be. Maybe it's more complicated than that. Maybe it doesn't matter at all really.

Of course, this is being posted by one of US with THEM leanings.

Hank Fox's picture

Hank's Cowboy Hat

Just FYI: I wear a cowboy hat because it's part of my native culture. I AM a cowboy, a real one. Born in Texas (which George Bush was NOT, by the way) and grew up with rodeo cowboys. I've worked cattle at brandings, rode bulls, driven draft horses, packed mules, crewed on horse drives, sat on top of horses for more miles than I can count.

Alon Levy's picture

In some contexts, motivation does matter

It's legitimate to ask why some people wear piercings. "Because I like it" makes sense, but we can still investigate how social perceptions influence what people like. Of course that matters little when deciding whether it's moral to discriminate against people who have piercings in service jobs.

In this particular case, it seems true that piercings are mostly a social thing. I say this because in most cases they don't have an obvious practical purpose (though in some cases they do - for example, I heard that genital piercings enhance sexual pleasure). That it itself doesn't make them bad, nor does it make being pierced more about the stage of others than not being pierced.

My comment about Hank's picture simply serves to show that assuming that one group is more conformistic than another based on such a superficial thing as piercing makes no sense. If Hank is a nonconformist who looks like a stereotypical cowboy, who's to say the person he complained about isn't a nonconformist looking like a stereotypical cultural rebel?

Matt's picture

Hmmm

One: nothing in what I’ve said was about the infective dirtyness of piercings. Y’all brought that up. Two or three made the point that piercings are easily infected, and so piercees are careful to keep them clean.

Two: I don’t think I mentioned tattoos.

Though there were a dozen or more young people working at Taco Bell a few doors down, there was not a face piercing or tattoo in sight. And that’s why I ate there. They looked clean and wholesome — as if they cared about assuring me-the-customer of the safety and edibility of the food.

One: When you speak of safety and edibility, I assume you don't mean finding bits of metal from someone's face in your food, but instead disease. You are chastising this man for his piercings, and decided to cancel your order because of those piercings. Piercings in your mind = unclean. Therefore, we connected the dots.
Two: You mention a lack of tattoos and piercings at taco bell, and therefore went there. We logically assume you would have left if the man had tattoos all over his visible body (or visible at all?), even if he had no piercings. Shrug.

It drew my eyes in disgusted fascination. I’m sorry to say — because I had chosen to eat lunch at Arby’s that day — that it made me instantly doubt whether the guy who would be touching my food had anywhere near my own standards of personal hygiene or concern about food preparation cleanliness. Unconsciously and instantly, I believed he didn’t.

Again, to back up the earlier point, this above statement tells us that piercings = disease and uncleanliness. No?
I understand that you had an unconscious idea that formed in your mind after viewing this man, but we have the ability to overthrow such thoughts and choose not to react to them. Hard evidence and not frivolous sixth-senses are typically better.

Imagine a guy who cut off his own nose, or both his legs, deliberately. I think those of you who see me as a disagreeable tight-ass in regards to Face Piercing Boy might react as strongly and in the same way I would, at one or both of those people.
Are we now comparing permanent and/or life threatening self-mutilation to piercings? This reminds me of the Rush Limbaugh argument:
If flag burning is simply a form of political speech, why can't someone go down to the white house and set it on fire for the same reason?

We have a brain and see the difference.

And, to top it off, people disagreeing with you strongly over one issue means you are on the other side of the line forever?
Must we agree 100% of the time with each other? If not, are we cast out of the club?
Maybe with some extremists... but not me. Some Liberals-esque types will cast you out if you disagree with them on abortion, the death penalty, oil drilling, etc. I for one take Brent's stand,
"I'm not angry, I just don't agree with you."

I simply chose a satirical method to disagree with you... I do that.
Deal with it.

- Matt

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Granted, both points. I guess I should have reread my original post.

However, the disease thing wasn't foremost in my mind in all this. It was more the picture of that guy burning his arm with cigarettes. I didn't really think about infection in that moment.

Kian's picture

I think they're cute.

I have a labret peircing...(just below the lip) and a customer at work complained to my boss about me having it in while dealing with customers. When my boss talked to me about she said exactly what Brent has said "I didn't even notice you had it." It's not an overwhemling thing on my face really...and my eyes are so big and bold that usually people look at those, not my chin. However, I put a clear one in anyway... The day I got it (for myself, not for the shock/pleasure/acceptance of others) my parents didn't even notice, it took them about 2 weeks.

But having said that there is a huge difference between my little labret ring (that is honestly no more than 3mm across) and having 2 lip rings, a nose ring, 2 eyebrow rings and a tongue ring. Its at that point that you start noticing their entire face is covered in metal.

Now what I don't understand is argument about being 'clean cut' and how I must be horribly dirty since I have my ring. I don't dress like a punk, I don't have horrible hair, I take care of myself and always look presentable. And my ring has never got infected, and it has never even swelled up. I really hate that people judge my personality and my lifestyle because I happen to get a peice of metal gunned into my face one day. It's too bad really...

Hank, they've become the norm, especially people wtih just one or two small ones on their faces. (Not the poeple with 8, plus white cover up, plus tons of eye liner, plus ear spacers...etc) And personally, I think think they're a really amazing form of self expression ... just like tattoos (the difference here is that the piercing isn't permanent).

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To restate my original question...

Would a less-easily-visible piercing have also caused you to demand your money back and write a letter of complaint? Say, if someone pointed it out to you after you walked away with your food? Or would you shrug that off?

I guess what I'm asking is, which is it that's offensive to you: having the person with the piercing serve your food, or having to SEE the piercing?

As far as your liberal credentials go, I think everyone agrees that you're allowed to disapprove of other people's lifestyle choices no matter what party affiliation you happen to possess. In addition, everyone else has the right to agree that going out of your way to display your disapproval and possibly attack someone's employment because of that disapproval is a shitty thing to do. It's your right, but man, does it (and this most recent post of hyperactive justifications) ever make you look self righteous and out of touch.

Anonymous User's picture

"Everyone to their own tast...#2

For Arby's #2 repeat:

"Everyone to their own taste
Said the lady as she kissed the cow. "

This is one my grandpa used to tell me when I was growing up. I love it...no one else in my family seem to even remember it. hmmm

So if you find something incompatible with your ingestion that is your personal business. It has nothing to do with prejudice,just your stomach... or your "taste", so to speak.

Evergreen,
A grandmother

Anonymous User's picture

Hello, Twice here, and no

Hello,

Twice here, and no response ;-(

So I'll second your grandpa's aphorism.

My grandmother used to say the exact same
thing when we were growing up. Could she
be the source of my tolerance and cosmopolitanism?

They were from Donegal. Where were yours from?

Cheers!

Evergreen's picture

Aphorisms from the past

Grandfather born northeastern PA...but his father from (I think) County Westmeath. So did it originate on the emerald isle?

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